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TX educators proposal to call slavery "involuntary relocation"

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  1. txtony

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    whitewashing of US history


    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30/texas-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

    A group of Texas educators have proposed to the Texas State Board of Education that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation” during second grade social studies instruction, but board members have asked them to reconsider the phrasing, according to the state board’s chair.

    “The board -- with unanimous consent -- directed the work group to revisit that specific language,” Keven Ellis, chair of the Texas State Board of Education said in a statement issued late Thursday.

    The working group of nine educators, including a professor at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, is one of many such groups advising the state education board to make curriculum changes. This summer, the board will consider updates to social studies instruction a year after lawmakers passed a law to keep topics that make students “feel discomfort” out of Texas classrooms. The board will have a final vote on the curriculum in November.

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    In this case, the group proposing these second grade curriculum revisions was given a copy of Senate Bill 3, Texas’ law that dictates how slavery and issues of race are taught in Texas. The law states that slavery can’t be taught as part of the true founding of the United States and that slavery was nothing more than a deviation from American values.
     
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    These days I'm not surprised. For so long I've heard Conservatives decry protecting people's feelings but these days in schools they are doing exactly that when it comes to topics they find uncomfortable.

    Slavery was a fact. It was exactly what it sounds like. It wasn't a deviation from American values but part of the great debate of American values. I don't see how you can leave slavery out of the writing of the Constitution when the key to getting it ratified was the Great Compromise.
     
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    cancel culture crt blargh blargh

    @tinman
     
  4. txtony

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    You know, the claim of protecting student discomfort is a lie.

    Kids are curious. I love that about kids. They have zero discomfort about these topics. They fully understand it's about the past history and don't associate any of that with their own human value.

    I think the pain is from the parents. It's to protect parents' discomfort when students learn about US history and ask their parents about it. Or it's simply to deny their kids of history - a parental right to keep kids ignorant for the benefit of the parents.
     
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    Oh for sure. I was FASCINATED about slavery (and later civil rights) as a white eight year old. Probably because we had just learned the story of Exodus at Sunday school and that was the first grade where we had chapter books in the classroom.
     
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    Well then we should give women the right to forcefully relocate a clump of cells from their uterus's.

    I mean if slavery isn't slavery then abortion isn't abortion.
     
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    Do 2nd graders even know the words "involuntary" and "relocation"?
     
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    HELL ****ING NO - it was slavery - it happened, we need to man up and deal with it.

    None of us owned slaves or were around but we can't ignore that it happened.

    DD
     
  9. TheJuice

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    I definitely would have, but I was also a weird kid and knew more history than most.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    I always find it amusing that the side that constantly tries to portray this country's history like North Koreans do with their history are the ones who call educators that oppose them in said endeavors as "liberal indoctrination camps"

    Projection. Projection. Projection. 90% of their talking points are straight up projection. From child grooming(Southern Baptist Church sex abuse scandal) to school indoctrination and "cancel culture". It's all god damn projection.
     
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    that's what a racist would say :cool:
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    I think a racist would say that slavery and the history after slavery(Black Codes, Jim Crow, redlining etc) has no effect on socioeconomic conditions today. That's the claim by liberals. You can figure out of that's indoctrination or not.
     
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    Ya the side that wants to be introspective of our history are the ones indoctrinating. Not the side that wants to turn our nation's history into a Marvel Avengers origin story.
     
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    White folk are calling this Factually Accurate Race Theory.

    Roll them windows down.

    Quick note: This tug of war with words is deliberately tedious....
     
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    Let's not forget that for a significant population of Southerners, the Civil War was and remains the "War of Northern Aggression." For whatever reason, they tie their "heritage" and identity to the antebellum South, and justify its cruelty by portraying themselves up as victims of an authoritarian North hellbent on denying them their "rights."

    But this identity is fragile, and will fall apart the minute their kids ask "what rights was the South fighting for?" That's why they make every attempt to paint slavery with language that sterilizes its cruelties. It's also why they are so resistant to accepting that we are STILL dealing with the ramifications of slavery and the Jim-Crow oppressions that followed its abolishment. To do so would be admitting that their heritage is horrific - and unfortunately, humans are psychologically wired to cling even more tightly to their beliefs in the face of contradictory data. This is exactly what we're seeing in the present day and in this specific case.
     
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    Honestly Southern conservatives can take a lesson from modern Germans. Not saying a neo-nazi element doesn't exist in Germany but it is nowhere near ubiquitous compared to the amount of Confederate apologists in the US.

    But the most ironic thing is that many of the same people who will make excuses for the confederacy like "it was sa fight over states rights more so than slavery" are the same people who want to make it clear to everyone that the party thet vote for wasn't the party of the confederacy. Right @MojoMan ?

    It's some sort of conflicting emotion. You want to defend the confederacy and at the same time be like "fun fact, Democrats were the party of confederacy, so you must be a Confederate supporter". I'm like "okay?... But why do you make so many excuses for them and white wash their history constantly?".


    They need to stop being little b****es about this. Either own up to your pride or denounce it. Don't play both sides. Don't deflect and say it's a democrat thing and then white wash Confederate history at the same time. It makes no sense.
     
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    In fact, the KKK was formed and populated from its inception after the civil war almost exclusively by Southern Democrats. When this movement finally and mercifully began to fizzle out after World War II, especially in the late 1950's and early 1960's, the Democrats realized they needed to find a new flag carrier for their platform of promoting racial intolerance and discrimination. Which they did, by switching their racist banner from the white racist groups to the black racist groups like the NAACP and the CBC in the middle to late 1960's.

    The only political party that has ever advocated true non-discriminatory, colorblind racial policies is the Republicans. They were the ones who defeated slavery under Lincoln, they voted for the Civil Rights Act by larger margins than the Democrats in 1964, and they continue to push for this same sort of non- discriminatory colorblind justice to this very day.
     
  18. Os Trigonum

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    I got called out for using that term. reported
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    See guys this is exactly what I mean.
     
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