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Two SOFT superstars ain't working

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Naismith, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Shroopy2

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    What the heck happened to the version of Mike James that sang
    "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine" ?

    Where's the "I'ma win 2 championships in 3 years"
    "I'ma win the MVP" guy?

    He's more crazy rather than "B Sura" tough, but the team could use some of that.
     
  2. YallMean

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    Mike James got paid, and the lights went out on him.
     
  3. Astockmarketgod

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    agreed... trade one or the other... or both even...

    changes need to be made...
     
  4. el_locoteee

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    I'll give you the rebound but block? 2.9BPG in 38MPG vs 2.2BPG in 36MPG, what is so ridiculous about. That what is call overrating.

    Rebounding: DH have always been a good rebounding but Houston and Orlando average same amount of RPG 44.6 - 44.2. Is not like his rebounding is leading his team to a mayor advantage on the boards. But yes he is better and always been a better defensive rebounder. in the offensive boards they are about the same. 3.5-3.2.

    FG% is overrated when he such that bad at FT line

    DH 61 FG% - 61FT% True FG% 61
    Yao 51 FG% - 87 FT% True FG% 59FG%

    Not much and that is with DH playing in a system like last year Houston Team. A Center surround with shooters. Yao FGA are low and because he is not playing in the post as much, and he get less FTA because of that.

    Yes Yao got 6 board today. DH have 6 board in 42min vs Boston is not like he never have a bad game in the boards.

    How about assist Yao 2.4 with 3.5 T.O. DH 1.4 with 3.67 T.O.
    On more assist for Yao and only 1 point less than DH in 2 less minutes.

    DH is not that much better he is just a big athletic black guy that always will get a pass because he look to ppl like baby Shaq and since he was draft before playing one minute in the NBA he is been getting love. While Yao with ppl even seeing play he is been bash and overlooked of all his mistakes and witnesses.

    Yao have being bash for playoff game when DH and Yao got the same amount of point in he first playoff and Yao face prime Shaq and at least he won a game. DH get a pass Yao get bash.

    Cmon when Yao don't get love of the ROx fans what do you expect for outsiders.

    Wait at the end of the season and you will see once this mess that RA have get solve and Rockets start playing with a identity and a set role for players with a set rotation.

    And again Rockets vs elite .500, Orlando vs Elite .250 record.
     
  5. tsunami

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    they are not soft, they are supersoft, both Yao and TMac.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    el_locoteee, you should change your moniker to just "loco". Either that or learn some more about NBA basketball before posting on subjects you know almost nothing about. It's very obvious. Reading statlines and boxscores doesn't give you a full picture. Try sopcast for a couple of months or get NBA League Pass to get up to speed.
     
  7. el_locoteee

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    You should change your nickname to "I'm jumping the bandwagon Dwight hasn't proof nothing in this league is only 20 game into the season".

    You should stop watching to many Orlando games and watch more Rockets game. Do I have to remind you who was one of the MVP leaders last year in the first 20 games yes Yao Ming and who won at the end. Do I have to remind you how good Orlando started last year and how everything ends for them. Do I have to remind you is the Eastern conference where a team like Cleveland make into the finals.

    ITS only 20 Freaking games pls stop hating on you own team and players don't get into the hype of an athletic black guy. He is playing lights out and Yao horrible for his standard this year and the guy only score on more freaking point a game in 2 more minutes in a style made for him.

    I seen DH and he still have no post move, can't make jumpers in a regular basic, relay too much in put back Dunks and alley up dunk Can't hit his FT and when double team is a poor passer and struggles in Double teams. Turn the ball over like Yao or more.

    Why he is scoring more? Because he is getting more touches (more TO too) and his team shoots a good percentages from 3 make and make his life easy and spread the floor so he can use his athletic ability over single team most of time (Thanks to the shooters that will make u pay for double him).

    AND IS ONLY 20 GAMES.

    ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME KAMAN IS BETTER THAN DUNCAN,

    NO

    THEN DH Is not better than YAO period.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    :eek:
    :rolleyes:

    :eek:

    :confused:

    :confused:

    I guess you really told me, didn't you? On the last point, the straw man heard you loud and clear about Kaman and Duncan. His feelings are hurt.

    For mercy's sake, I give up. Nothing more needs to be said. My mistake for engaging you.
     
  9. psowing200

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    what is the problem on this team..?


    maybe you're right...we should trade out one of our m

    let's see...

    adrew bynum+ kwame brown + lamar odom <-> yao+sf3

    lakers goes!
     
  10. el_locoteee

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    Well
    Duncan 17-9 1.8Block
    Kaman 19-14 2block

    If DH is better than Yao then Kaman is better that Duncan. Why not whats the difference?

    You like DH but doesn't mean that you know more about basketball. Is your personal opinion. If a guy is black jump high and Dunk, he have to be good right. That is that why most of Americans don't watch the Spurs they aren't flashy and they are not American most of the players and they play like a team.

    I will take Yao now you will take Howard perfect, but don't think your opinion is better just because is you opinion, Number are close there is not a clear winner. Yao hasn't proof anything and Yes DH hasn't proof anythings either. So Keep watching the you magic and will keep watching the Rockets.

    End of discussion nobody win nobody lose.
     
  11. vcchlw

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    How about TMac for Kobe and then Yao for Dwight. Kobe+D Howard=>multiple championships
     
  12. nigma2000

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    Well you can bet your mighty dollar that if the Rockets don't make the playoffs or fail in the 1st round again, this will defintely be the final year of Yao and T-Mac together. There is no way management can go with this again, there is no other solutions left to do.
     
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    Dwight howard is the best center in the league. it's not even up for debate anymore, but to giveup yao the 2nd best center and tracy is a bit to much.
     
  14. Shroopy2

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    I think we'll get McGrady up to the end of his contract, then after that maybe not so much...

    Our 2 supersofts if they want to stick around better get it together quick, along with coaching.

    But McGrady and Yao have been at their current levels for 3 years now. So they are pretty much what they are, if not superstars then verygoodstars. Which should still be enough, and still means they need the right pieces around them. Just cuz they're supposedstars (okay no more puns) doesnt mean you gotta short the team elsewhere.
     
  15. rocketscraft

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    T-Mac and Yao both are not superstar yet.Sorry about that.Every
    superstar get a Strong and open heart.
     
  16. tresimecgredi

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    2 soft superstars NEED a leader, they don't have to BE the leaders. If Yao and T-Mac are motivated by some reasons (ex. vs great players or great teams), they surely will play great, if they are not motivated they will perform under their possibilities...They need someone who yells at them, who motivates them to perform great and we don't have this type of player or coach...
     
  17. A_3PO

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    LOL, you wish.

    For the record, I'm not 100% convinced Howard has passed Yao yet. But I'm wavering a bit. What I took issue with were your preposterous statements about Howard. It's sad that a few people who defend Yao can't intelligently debate comparing him to Howard. You don't have to knock the other player down to support your player. And calling me a Rocket hater is just ignorant. I'm guessing I was a Rocket fan (like hunders of people here) before you ever heard of them and I'll be one after you forget about them.

    Go read some more stats and I'll watch the games AND check the stats.
     
  18. durvasa

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    That's a superficial comparison of the stats. Duncan has a 24.8 PER, and Kaman has a 19.4 PER. You're neglecting to mention that Kaman plays about 6 more minutes per game and is more turnover-prone.

    And in case your'e wondering, Yao's got a 23.3 PER, and Howard has a 25.9 PER.
     
  19. poprocks

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    There is no way that Orlando would trade Howard. Now Kobe, that is another story. Kobe wants out and hasn't made a secret about it. T-Mac for Kobe is actually a plausible Trade Scenario. Might have to give up one other player to the Lakers to make the deal work but Kobe and Yao would be very interesting.
     
  20. Winrockets

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    Howard has better stats than Yao but IMO Yao is the better player because he is versatile where he can score: he has the hook shot/turn-around jump shot and the inside game. The reason Yao doesn't score much is because 1) he doesn't get the ball enough because the offense doesn't go through him, it goes through Tmac 2) he doesn't demand the ball 3) when he gets the ball he looks to pass first and score second. If the team goes through Yao and Yao looks to score first, Yao can average Shaq numbers in ppg and Rockets will win more. Right now it's not working because Tmac is the no. 1 option when it should be Yao. Just look at how the Lakers played with Shaq+Kobe.
     

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