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Two SOFT superstars ain't working

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Naismith, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. v3.0

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    there's a difference between observations and bashing
     
  2. Glacier

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    I know. But every time when we lose, I can hear the word "soft". Just get bored about this word.

     
  3. freemaniam

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    We should not have lost the game today. Coach should have stop the bleed in 3rd quarter by changing the rotation. The opponents were so prepared to play against your big 2. When they succeeded in defending your starters in every possession, it's time to change the rotation and vary your ball movement. Our reserves played exceptionally well in the 1st half, why shouldn't they play to stop the bleed?

    I notice when the Raptors took their flagrant foul FTs, our players circled and discussed their upcoming defence assignment by themselves, no coach involved! TMac was put onto Bosh after that and we did stop them from scoring in 3 consecutive possesions.

    We seriously need to pick up our defence. New players have no clue on transition defence at all.

    I blame it on our Coach team.
     
  4. sando

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    we have steve
     
  5. Starscream

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    Van gundy was the one that hid all of our weakneses, including the stars. He was the only one that gave a shiit about winning and tried to inforce that ,

    unfortunately he was the only leader we had, sad statement that it has to come from the coach. Our stars our like tissue paper, no heart, nothing and this trickles down to the role players. This team is a 500 team because our stars do not really give a crap about being anything other than that. that is a fact. Without someone riding them that they should care about being better they sink down to their apathetic selves. Win a game here lose a game there, it doesn't matter just as long as they recieve the same old compliments of their great potential, there is no urgency for them to be great now and win champions, just their great potential. This same old line is wearing thin on those that have observed them together for the past few years.

    When Van Gundy left their true natures were exposed in full.
     
  6. OrangeRowdy95

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    You just came to this conclusion? It took you this long to realize this?
     
  7. v3.0

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    It is what it is.

    If I see a fat person walking the street, there's 101 ways to describe him but I'll just go with the first word that pops in my mind.
     
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    Interesting...if you are a GM or HC, what would you do if one of your superstars tells you, by his words or actions on and off the court, that he does not want a fellow teammate to start?

    Would you start a player with less talent to preserve "team chemistry?"

    If the team continues to lose, would you consider trading the star player? How about the fellow teammate?

    If I am the GM and observed a professional employee behaving in that manner, I would try to trade the star player.
     
  9. ChrisBosh

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    Relax people....... Yao took 10 friggin shots.....that's just not enough.

    Looks like Adelman's still trying to get an idea on who should play and who shouldn't....Mike James hit 1 of 6 shots, so did Landry, neither should be getting any significant playing time, and in the playoffs they won't.


    We'll find exactly how good this team is in about feb 2008. Just give it some time. No need to break it all up b/c we Adelman's trying to figure things out.
    Hell this team is still getting used to each other, some have played other have not. Nobody is getting consistent minutes other than Yao/TMac.
     
  10. Yetti

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    My fellow rockets fans, please get it into your head now so that you won't be too dissapointed later on- This team is NOT going to win a championship!
    Too many deadbeat players who just cant score and a center who after six seasons can't or won't get it into his head that he is a FAILURE playing the submissive role.
    The Rockets deserve this loss! The coach is so dumb that he isn't making the corrections needed to be a winning team. At present it looks like we should win 41 games and thank the Lord won't have the missery of being knocked out in the first round. of the Playoffs. Our team is without leadership and has no spirit.
    To repeat myself for the 25th time Tracy McGrady is the only Rocket's player who is a Play Maker and when he tries to be the great scorer with his poor shooting percentage 33% to day,the team falls apart or becomes lithargic! :p
     
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    I agree im not trying to be negative and Im not going off of the game today but looking at the past it doesn't seem to be working out with these two
     
  12. A_3PO

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    This season is the first time I've seriously considered that Yao and Tracy just may not work. I'm not ready to give up on them yet and will give Adelman more time. Right now, I think Adelman is the bigger problem. For energy and focus to still be a problem is inexcusable. Maybe some time during the year everything will just "click" and we'll be a contender.

    Looking at the 2nd half boxscore, especially the 3rd quarter, makes me ill. We were outscored 59-35! Toronto sleep-walked into the game and we should have buried them in the 1st half. To start the 3rd quarter, I don't think our players respected the Raptors enough to even try. They thought the game was already over. This team has to realize that nothing will be given to them. Perhaps the hangover and delusions from the 6-1 start are lingering.

    I think Rafer was missed today because we had no easy fast break points. There was no attempt to push the ball and pressure the defense.
     
  13. ekim

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    Now when you add that with a "player friendly" soft coach such as Adelman...
     
  14. ThePrivate

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    The Spurs continue to win without Duncan beating Dallas and Utah, the Rockets can't even beat the Raptors without "Skip to my Brick!"
     
  15. Yetti

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    Yes they will bounce back and continue to be a 50% winning team=
    Season 41 : 41 :p
     
  16. Glacier

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    I wouldn't say they are "soft" since they are sometimes "strong" (if don't agree on the latter there's nothing we could talk about). So I would say that they are not consistently "strong" and sometimes "soft".
    The example you talked about is different. Think about it.

     
  17. Starscream

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    The only way I see us getting some form of leadership with this team is to acquire NBA veterans that have recent championship experience that want to come here and win one more championship before they retire. Not come here to get a shoe deal or past time. This the only way we can get that winning leadership back is to have those type of players preaching to our pathetic stars on the court through actions and off the court thru mentoring.

    These type of players are a rare find. Guys I am thinking about are Caseell, Horry, even Fisher but there is no gaurantee our stars will even listen.

    These two guys are just too mentally weak for Post season and Finals play.
    It is sad they need someone to show them on the court that actions speak louder than words. Van Gundy tried to do what he could but at the end he was still a coach. he could not show them thru actions on the court.

    If that fails, the only way I see us getting an chances of post season run (in the long term future) is to trade one or both to rebuild on a new core that does not have this mentally fragile difficiency.
     
  18. Butterfingers

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    A lot of this has to fall on our SOFT coach. It drives me CRAZY to see bogus calls going on and our players(especially Yao) get molested out there and he just sits idly by. Besides defense, the one thing JVG brought to the table was his fire, passion, and his ability to fight for his players. And when players see their coach just sitting there idly by, it rubs off on the rest of the team. Look at the Mavericks their true leader is Avery, just like IMO JVG was our leader last year. Adelman is no leader and neither are our superstars so we need a coach who can invigorate fire into our players.

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  19. managerrobert

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    J.J. Redick
    6-5 SG from Duke
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    Keith Bogans
    6-4 SG from Kentucky
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    Keyon Dooling
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    Pat Garrity
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    Carlos Arroyo
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    Tony Battie
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  20. Naismith

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    Man, I'll love to see more strong than soft, but so few strong showings. :( from the pair.
     

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