Two Innocent Americans Finally Released by Rogue Iran Regime

it doesn't matter what u talk about or what the thread topic is, as others have pointed out already - u are utterly clueless. and unfortunately, u are pigheaded (pun intended) about broadcasting your cluelessness all over this bbs

 

I am stubborn for sure, but it takes two to tango....you just happen to be dancing to the same beat as the other side of the argument.

No worries....I am happy in my pigheadedness......

DD

 

Really? you went from making comments of 3 hikers who couldn't possibly be spies and that Iran is a dump of a government (agreed) to denouncing an entire religion. Glad you found your way to the ignorant buffoon section.

 

So, I take it you don't know?

DD

 

i guess not.

 

I would not put Innocent in the title. They did mistakenly cross into Iran illegally.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/irans-fm-hopes-for-release-2-americans/#ixzz1ZCv036Nd

Not sure what the issue is? Now if you want to question the validity of the Iranian government's records of them being in Iran when they were arrested then I see reason for discussion.

 

I think we can all agree that Iran is a brutal and hostile regime. I think many of us can agree that US policy probably played a role in the treatment of these prisoners. The main thing to take out of this for me is that it is stupid to go hiking along the Iran Iraq border.

 

Good point. While yes Iran deserves criticism for their human rights record and from even the account of these Bauer and Fattel there were prisoners treated much worse than they were, their own culpability shouldn't be excused.

It was the right thing to try to save these guys but they should've known better in the first place to go hiking along the border with a country known to be brutal and hostile and in an area where I suspect the border is poorly marked. I put it like back country skiers who decide to go skiing in avalanche prone areas. If they get caught in an avalanche every attempt will be made to save them but at the same time they should've known better in the first place.

 

I am not sure why Salon claims 'the media won;t cover it' . I read about their Gitmo nonsense everywhere (first heard it on fox news while at a friends). Personally, all I want to hear from these assholes is 'sorry we compromised every Americans security for the sake of going hiking. We will never do it again' . The last thing they need to do is lecture anyone. These guys should be marginalized by Americans.

 

WTF goes hiking in Iran???

 

What note? I don't see one on here.

The dude is always wanting to find some flaw or deeper meaning in why things happen, as some sort of BULL**** excuse for people being Assholes.

And by doing it, is an asshat himself.

DD

 

I have an Egyptian friend that goes skiing there all the time. Says some parts are beautiful. + it is the place where beer was invented so...

 

While yes, they were being rather dumb by hiking in that area, no one deserves to be jailed for 2 years due to their nationality.

That being said, they're lucky to get away with 2 years in jail than what would have happened if they were found by terrorists.

Go to Colorado, Canada, South America if you want to see some beautiful landscape.

 

But you did:

None of which, as I'll point out again, is relevant at all to the conversation, unless your goal is a DD-esque cheerleading routine vaguely reminiscent of the "with us or against us" demonization laid on by the Bush Junta circa 2003.

You went further and made other comments a la DD doubting the veracity of the hiker's story inasmuch as it cast doubt on the propagandized "Iran is evil, and that's the only reason this happened" storyline.

So what was the point of all that Deckard? You're now upset, but I was damn upset earlier that you would contort a series of posts that I made about the non-covered aspects of the hiker's interview and the concern it should present to us into a justification for Iran's assholery. That's bull**** and I never said it, nor would I. Like I said, I expect that kind of contortionist buffoonery from Dakota (and he delivered - in spades), but you're better than that.

As for patriotism, inasmuch as it leads us to posts a la DaDakota, who accused me of everything just shy of being a closet member of the Ahmadinejad Fan Club simply because I voiced concern over similar American activities, I'm not ok with it. It's a far too slippery slope. But I apologize if such a sentiment offends you.

 

As usual you are moving the goalposts to hide your thin skinned bull****.

Go back and re-read this thread, and see, who tossed out the first personal insult....

It was you, in almost every case, you are captain sensitive, if someone calls you out on you "AMERICA DESERVES IT BECAUSE IT DOES BAD THINGS TOO" stance.

It is the same crap you spewed during the London riots.....

Sometimes Rhad, people are just DICKS, and they don't need motivation to do so, but use others actions as excuses to justify there own.

But of course, in your little ivory covered world, everything has a cause.....

But the truth is, it doesn't.....

DD

 

Sorry to butt into you, Rhad and DD's brouhaha but I question some of your characterizations of this situation.

As noted earlier apparently the admit to having wandered into Iranian territory. In this respect I don't see Iran as being a rogue regime for enforcing their borders. While I think there is an argument for Iran's treatment of them as being overly harsh it is still their country and their laws.

I look at this situation sort of like the case 15 years ago where an American teen in Singapore was caught egging cars. He was sentenced to being caned, flogged with a rattan cane, and there was a huge media and diplomatic brouhaha over it. Eventually the punishment was greatly reduced, if I recall it was reduced from 24 lashes to 4, but what was almost never reported in the US and international media was that a teen from Hong Kong was caught with him and that teen was given the full 24 with hardly a peep.

In this case this seems like not so much a double standard as a selective reporting of the facts. These people weren't exactly innocent as by their own admission they crossed the border without passports or permission which is a crime in most countries in the world. Also by their own admission others in the prison where treated much much worse than they were. Yet the whole outcry is this idea of innocent Americans being held (in some reporting "kidnapped") under exceptionally harsh conditions by a brutal rogue regime. The facts to me though are that they were guilty of illegally entering Iran and while they were held harshly they weren't necessarily treated worse than other prisoners.

I agree with you fully that Iran is a brutal regime but I think concern should be placed more on those in Iran rather than making a few bone headed Americans who admitted to breaking the law symbols of Iran's brutality.

"Deserve" who deserves to have anything horrible happen to them? I mean should a back country skier buried in an avalanche deserve the horror of that even though he chose to ski in an area prone to avalanches? My point is that yes Iran is brutal but at the same time these people should've been aware of the risk they were taking. We can debate and criticize about how Iran should be but for any actions that might lead us to dealing with Iran's government we should be cognizant of the reality of what Iran is and act accordingly. These guys underestimated that risk and ended up paying the price.

 

You used 'brouhaha' too much. I would suggest the synonym 'big dick contest' or 'guff'. They sound better

 

Jesus. This guy.