[Twitter Rumor] 3-way talks with Chicago, Houston and Utah?

and they are still amazing at what they do.

Maybe mar1juana isn't the devil's work....

 

Miami Trades: Michael Beasley, Daequan Cook and Mark Blount
Miami Receives: Carlos Boozer and trade exception from Rockets

Houston Trades: Luis Scola and James White
Houston Receives: Michael Beasley, Daequan Cook and Kosta Koufos

Utah Trades: Kosta Koufos and Carlos Boozer
Utah Receives: Luis Scola, James White, Mark Blount and trade exception from Rockets

Miami does it because they get a top PF and may be able to help keep DWade in Miami if he decides to sign back too or even just helps Miami contend for a championship. The price seems big but Beasley was not as great as they hoped and plays more like a small forward. Daequan Cook is at best a 6th man and Mark Blount is a nobody.

Houston does it because they get a young PF/SF who is perfect for their new up tempo offense, a shooting guard (which they have none of) and a young 7footer (which they have none of either). They have to give up Luis Scola, the most underrated PF in the NBA , and James White, a project player who has the potential to be a lot like Trevor Ariza.

Utah does it because they finally get rid of Boozer and pick up Luis Scola, the perfect player for them. He is a great player and plays great Utah defense. They also pick up White who has potential to be a good role player and Mark Blounts huge expiring contract and if they really want him to, maybe he can go in there and put in like 4 and 4 if he stays healthy.

 

Um Chuck has a huge butt which helps him box out guys or nudge them out of their comfort zones, and he's really heavy so although guys like Dirk are taller than him they can't push him around. He's not afraid to get physical inside, and he's a really smart defender so most of his defense consists of making sure the opponents makes the shot in a really bad place or under intense pressure.

What does that have to with Kirk? defense on the perimeter is way different from defense inside, you can't make up for lack of height or speed by getting physical because then you'd be called for a foul.

 

The refs allow chuck to foul and push the opposing player, so that helps alot. It's the ref's bias against giants that helps him. Yao is usually on the receiving end of the ref's bias, because even the 7 fters are small against him.

 

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mdvzne

GREAT TRADE HERE!

Assuming Ariza outplays Battier for the 3 spot then:

Rockets trade: S. Battier, J. Dorsey +a pick maybe
for
Blazers trade: R. Fernandez, J. Pryzbilla

Both teams succeed.

Blazers need a Defensive Veteran in Battier and backup PF for LA

Rockets fill a need at C in Pryzbilla, add more athletism & scoring in Rudy.

Aaron
Rudy--Tmac
Ariza
Scola
Pryzbilla

Blake
Roy
Battier
LA
Oden

 

It's been suggested so many times it's not even worth mentioning anymore.

 

Chuck plays clean, perfect defense...

 

Can't really picture Battier, Yao, and Scola smoking a post-practice blunt...

 

First of all, Chuck doesn't have a "huge butt". He's very compact and has a low center of gravity that allows him to plant himself defensively without giving up position to the offensive post player. Much like Ben Wallace. Hence, the chance Morey took on Joey Dorsey.

As for Hinrich, have you ever watched him play an NBA game? Maybe your sample size is limited only to games in which he wasn't healthy. Dude is VERY athletic, especially on defense. Athleticism doesn't just mean the ability to jump out of the gym. It also involves the ability to move laterally and extend into passing lanes. Hinrich has that ability in spades. He's a tough sunnavabich, too. He can stay with quick guards. He can hold his own with bigger guards.

Kirk has always been a high PER player. He had a terrible year in 2007-08, but he actually bounced back quite well last year. His 13.97 PER was an improvement over the prior year and is significantly better than Aaron Brooks's (12.95) PER in the same amount of minutes per game. People look at Hinrich's 9.9 ppg average and think that he had a bad year. But the guy was playing reduced minutes and out of position the entire season due to the Bulls' drafting of Derrick Rose #1 overall. He played most of his minutes at SG (with Rose running the point) and even when he was "playing PG", the Bulls would put the ball in Ben Gordon's hands and watch him score. Some other interesting facts about Kirk Hinrich last year:

--He had the highest plus/minus of anyone on the Bulls
--He and Ben Gordon had the highest plus/minus of any two-player combination on the Bulls
--He, Ben Gordon and Brad Miller had the highest plus/minus of any three-player combination on the Bulls
--He, Ben Gordon, Brad Miller and Derrick Rose had the highest plus/minus of any four-player combination on the Bulls
--He, Ben Gordon, Brad Miller, John Salmons and Tim Thomas had the highest plus/minus of any five-player combination on the Bulls

And my favorite tidbit of all . . .

--Kirk Hinrich played nearly 20% of his minutes AT SMALL FORWARD. Yes, it was a small-ball lineup, but who do you think was guarding the other team's "tougher guard" every night in that lineup? Ben Gordon? The rookie Derrick Rose? I don't think so. The Bulls were able to go small in large part because or Hinrich's defensive abilities.

I really hate how some people (not necessarily you, roslolian) assume that Kirk Hinrich isn't athletic or a good defender, simply because he's white or because he might be a little overpaid. The simple truth is that Kirk Hinrich is a very effective player.

Leave your pre-conceived notions at the door and watch the guy PLAY.

 

BimaThug, I agree with you on hinrich. He's more athletic than people think and he competes very, very hard. Dumars was in the same mold and no one ever talked about him only being 6'3. Davis Wesley was a very good defender at 6'0. Those that weren't here pre battier, wesley used to contain wings and mcgrady was still a good defender then also. I don't have a problem with kirk the players, I don't want his salary.Yes, his salary goes down, but 8m per is still a pretty good chunk. I would rather do the deal allegedly proposed because it allows cap felxibility. If Thomas plays well and Fasenko improves, then you can resign those guys for a good price, and if yao comes back, now you have a young core that can keep getting better and slow his decline. If he doesn't come back, you still have the young core and morey can keep addintg to the core.

 

Fair enough. I'm actually not ga-ga for Hinrich either (especially not for my favorite player - Shane Battier). But it sickens me sometimes to hear people sound off on guys when they apparently have no idea what kind of players they are. A look at a player's stats does not tell the whole story. This is especially true in Hinrich's case. Basketball-wise (not salary-wise), Kirk is definitely a "Morey" kind of player.

A list of other overpaid players who are constantly killed for being terrible when, in fact, they are actually quality NBA players (just not quite at that salary level):

Andrei Kirilenko
Kenyon Martin
Jason Richardson
Troy Murphy
Corey Maggette
Joel Przybilla
Andrew Bogut
Nick Collison

 

only reason people think Bogut is terrible is because he was drafted before CP3 and D-Will... Bogut is a great rebounder.. and is improving his offense game.

 

In my case, I was never suggesting Hinrich sucks or anything like that. I just don't view him as starting NBA shooting guard for the majority of his minutes, unless you play him alongside a big point guard. I especially don't like the idea of a brooks-hinrich backcourt with a small frontline.

He's a good NBA point guard in my mind.

 

I know this trade wont happen but ...

Houston Trades : Scola and Battier
Houston Gets : Ty Thomas, Fesenko, NY's pick and JJames

Jazz Trade : Fesenko, Boozer, pick
Jazz Gets : Scola and Battier

Bulls Trade : Ty Thomas, JJames
Bulls Get : Boozer

Houston does it because they are clearly rebuilding lets put it this way would you rather have another 1st round exit or a lotto pick.

Utah does it because they get two Sloan type guys.

Bulls do it because they get Boozer.

 

Is he clean on the weed too?

 

^ I just threw up in my mouth

 

Why would you post this trade idea when the op's trade is the same except we keep Scola instead of swapping him for NY's pick. You think the pick is worth more than Scola?

 

As I said earlier he's already proven he can play with small guards like Gordan for long stretches, and this season he played a good chunk of his minutes with Rose too. The term 'combo guard' tends to get thrown around a lot to describe undersized shooting guards, but Hinrich can genuinely play both guard positions.

 

Fair enough. I trust the judgement of those who have seen Hinrich play more frequently than myself. With that said, I have underrated his abilities when discussing him in this thread.

 

I feel the same way and have been critical of him. His contract bothers me which leads to a bias.