Turns out the Matt Bonner 3 WOULD have counted if it went in

I know it's over and done with but that is completely CRAP. I don't see how they would even consider that shot. For one, the clock was started late (intentionally) bcuz the spurs was home.

It's simple the NBA will allow CHEATING

 

i hate sa, we would have been screwed over, i never forgave them after they cost us homecourt in 93 when robinson's tip in clearly didnt count. we would hav game 7 vs seattle at home,then took it to the suns and the bulls,we'd have 3 championships not 2.. i firmly believe that...

good thing he missed

 

What crap. Derek Fisher had .4 on the clock, caught and shot it in one motion, and he still BARELY got it out of his hand. Meanwhile, Bonner gets to catch and shoot it with his feet set in 25% less time and it's well in the air before the lights go on. Yeah right.

 

I think there are way too many threads on this topic, but I feel like contributing anyway!

I don't even know why there needs to be a rule anymore? This is 2009, right? The only rule that should exist should be: "If the ball is out of the players hand before the clock runs out, it counts, otherwise, it doesn't"

This is only an issue at the end of games or quarters. At the end of quarters, the refs can review during timeout, so no stoppage of game even. Either way, in all cases, it should literally be as simple as looking at a replay with a running time out to the second decimal at least. Run the replay until the instant it hits the player's hand, stop, mark the time. Restart and the instant it leaves the player's hand, stop, mark the time. Get out a calculator. Do the math, find out how much time the ball was in the player's hand. Compare to the amount of time that was left in the game before the play started.

The end.

 

Not only was there .4 left, but Fisher's catch and release was MUCH faster than Bonner's.

Bonner caught the ball, landed, gathered himself, and THEN went up. It was not all in one motion like the Fisher shot.

 

.4 but bonner caught the ball...jumped...and then released. it is not humanly possibly to do that in .3 seconds, not with a normal form. the problem is that they don't start the clock exactly when he catches it

 

he took the entire three tenths needed to get a shot off and got it off.

and the clock started after he caught the ball.

timeclock conspiracy aside, the NBA hires neutral timeclock operators for the Playoffs

 

Well that's just an incredibly fast release.

 

Nice pictures.

However, you say the clock started "right after he got the ball"... well, you can clearly see in the first picture that the ball is virtually about to be in his hands, and in the second one it is raised above his head and the clock still reads 0.2.

Are you telling me that it took him ONE TENTH of a second to catch the ball at his waist, jump, and raise the ball over his head to shoot? Hell, one tenth of a second is so freaking fast... you weren't even able to get a picture of it.

The clock started late. These pictures prove that more than the contrary.

 

those guys in sa were a bit slow on the clock the whole game

clock management should be handled by a neutral party

 

So if the clock starts late (for instance in Portland where it started almost a full second late) that doesn't bother you? These shots should always be immediately reviewed, not on whether or not he got the shot off before the buzzer, but literally going frame by frame and examining exactly how long it took from receiving the ball to releasing.

Those frames someone posted did show that Bonner had a pretty quick release. But he caught the ball on the ground, jumped and then the clock start. It started nearly a half second late.

 

if anything, it started a tenth or two tenths of a second late. i just don't think it's anything to get all upset over. time keepers in the Playoffs are neutral.

 

Umm, isn't your plan to go frame by frame exactly what the other poster suggested?

His plan sounded pretty good to me...

 

Which is about the average human reaction time. The clock always starts and stops late on everything, its not humanly possible to start the clock the instant the player touches the ball, unless time keepers are instructed to anticipate players receiving the ball, but that would be quite stupid. Just because it was on the last shot doesn't mean there's a conspiracy against the rockets. I'm sure our own timekeepers at the TC would give us a few tenth's of a second of "slow reaction time" if we needed it.

 

agreed.

 

Once again, who cares?

 

lol you're right. My bad.

I read his first sentence and stopped. That sentence sounded like he was saying if he releases the ball before the red light goes on then it's good.

If I could edit my post out I would.

 

Did the shot go in?

 

I do. First of all, it shouldve never gotten to that point.

Also, I still feel like it was impossible for Brandon Roy to get off that game winner back at the Rose Garden. This is something that needs to be discussed.

 

To those of you who say it is easy to miss a free throw, you need to remember that you have to hit the rim for it to count. Otherwise they just give the ball to the other team without any time being used.