Turnovers and Glen Rice

Yeah i realize tmo wont play too much but i dont like Walt. Honestly i would like to see Langhi get a fair shake becuz he would be a nice bench player. With that good shot of his and he has nice hops

 

Once again, trolls come out trying to rub salt in the wound.

Weak and pathetic.

 

Uh, Gater, I was against acquiring Rice as well, made several posts about Rice compounding our weakness (defense and rebounding) while taking shots away from those who we want to develop...That being said, I DO think that Rice's offense will come around...but that's all we're going to get from him. I envision several swing players going off for career nights against us this year...

 

Yes I'm sure those better handles will come into play when Walt is getting blocked goin 2 mph down the lane.

I seriously doubt the elbow injury is the reason his percentage dropped... it's more likely due to the change in location and playing styles. Plus, if you've seen the games, you would know that nearly all of Rice's misses are rim-outs... which indicates to me that his shot is very close... he just needs more time to get his legs under him. He didn't play in the offseason and barely in the preseason. We should judge this as his <b>3rd preseason game</b> if anything.

He may be a shadow of his former self, but that shadow is greater than anything Walt could ever be. Either way, we don't need him to be the crazy scorer he was in Charlotte. All he needs to do is make shots off the penetration from Stevie and Cuttino - and he should do that with ease once he gets his legs.

 

I, personally, would rather Morris get at least 1/3 of the SF minutes. I'd let Rice start, and if he's cold go with TMo and the Gizzard.

 

I really wish I could see the games so I could provide better commentary. But from the comments that I hear, this is what I'd like to see. I think the SF position should be a 3 man rotation, with Rice as the starting SF with Walt and T-Mo spliting time evenly. As it stands right now, both Rice and Walt aren't following through on what their forte is right now. But between the two, I think the consensus would be Rice is the superior player and much more deserving of the starting spot. With regards to substitutions, I'd like to see T-Mo getting more time durring the early parts of the game, while Walt would towards the tail end, where his experiance and sometimes clutch shooting would be more important to maintain a lead or mount a comeback. Now this is all contingent on Walt not getting hot with his shooting, because if he does then Walt rightfully deserves the backup SF spot.

Now if Rice gets banged up and is out for a couple of games, this is where Walt is most valuable and why the Rockets still need him. I can't say Morris is ready to start, and the only other options are KT, which means more outside shots by him, or Griff which is a distinct possibility. But I'd rather see Griff getting the start at the 4 more than the 3. Walt's the only one with experiance and the most knowledge of that position and is a great guy to have fill in.

I can't wait for both Rice and Walt to get their shooting touch back, but in the mean time I would like to see them work in Morris more often if the two are still having problems getting their shots to drop as the season moves on.

 

JAG - How could I forget. You and Thanos took alot of heat during that time. You had many solid points in your posts, but were heavily outnumbered. That's the reason I gave up.

For the sake of the Rockets, I truly want Rice to succeed.

 

Let's take a breath and give Rice a few more games before concluding he is worthless. IMHO he will be so much better than Walt there will be no comparison.

Also I have a feeling RT is going to work Griffin into starting lineup pretty soon. He never changes starters easily, but I feel it coming. And it will be hard not to start Willis. I know he doesn't want to bruise Cato's tender ego, but their respective performances speak volumes. WE GOTTA HAVE A STRONGER INSIDE PRESENCE AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR TO COMPETE against .500+ teams and win on the road.

Zone variants are stifling our guards in initiating offense. Hope to see some new offensive schemes soon because we are way too predictable. And, one more thing, please put a 3 second dribbling clock on Moochie...he's killing us.

 

hey just relax we lost one game... if you haven't noticed it's a)still early in the season b) Rice is just starting to get adjusted c)it is practically almost a new team if you look at the starters last year compared to this year only two of them are the same. Dream and SA are gone and motay is sitting down watching us on the tube. I'm not here to fully support Rice but I am going to trust in Rudy T's decision making. I'm also sure those 3 pt shots are always gonna be rimmin out. he's startin slow but alot of stars did. He's in a new environment and so is our team. If our record was a negative or dead even I'd start complaining but we're not and let's just see how the next one rides out. Rice is best served when cooked properly. It may take some time but when it is ready it's something worth waiting for. I have to admit though I don't really like walt and i really think t-mo should be playin more than walt....

 

How many games have the Rockets played?? 3 games, so far. If this was near the end of the season, I would say that you are completely right in complaining about his performance, but man, we got 79 games left. I know I can be homeristic sometimes, but I have followed basketball for a long time, and you should know that a shooter has to keep shooting.

Look how long it took Brent Price to get his shot going when he first joined the Rockets in that year with Barkley and Willis and we won 57 games. He had led the NBA in 3 point FG percentage and we signed him to a huge, albeit ridiculous contract. However, he broke his elbow or arm (I can't remember) in a pre-season game and when he came back, he struggled. The same thing is happening to Rice. He didn't get to play much in the pre-season and he doesn't have his legs yet.

I keep hoping now that every game the Rockets play that Glen will go off, that way all of his critics here at this BBS will get off his ass. I think you guys are wanting Glen to give you the moon right now, and he's not in the shape to do that right now. If after 10 to 15 games, he's still struggling like this, then I think the Rockets need to do something to shake things up.

And if you think giving major minutes to TMo and Torres would be a good idea, I don't think so because you are putting them in a situation where it is going to be too easy for them to fail.

 

Rice isn't taking away shots from younger players and hurting their development, T-Mo isn't our savior at the SF spot, Rice fits our team better then Shandon does, I'd rather have Rice's 3 year contract over Shandon's 6 year contract, and Rice will be a key part of this team once he gets healthy. The guy has played, what, 5 games? A few in the preseason and 3 in the regular season? I've never seen so many people panic and turn on one player after 3 games in my life. For the people who were against Rice, not only does he bring offense but he, along with Willis, is a mentor to Cato, so that is also paying dividends. There's a reason Rice is the captain. Give the guy 2 or 3 weeks to get his legs back before you start agreeing with Laker trolls that he's old, fat (?) and washed up. I agree with DREAMer though, I say give the other SF minutes if Rice is cold, and do this until he gets his legs under him. Which by the way is why he is struggling. There's no such thing as a quality shooter without his legs. And he is still building his legs. And no the injury isn't hampering, just the effects of the injury (not being able to work out until October) is effecting him.

 

It's true though... Rice is exactly what we've been saying for a long time now.

anyone who's played high level b-ball can "feel" what's gonna end up of Rice and that's mediocracy. rice hasn't that winner's intensity any more, and he can't push his game further.

it's not about being negative, it's about giving the Rocks the best odds to win down a serious game.

the best odds are in fresh and intense players who learn to handle the ball... that's tmo and griffin.

what's this BS about rookies maybe breaking. I don't see tmo or griffin coming even close to that especially with the amiable coaching staff that's not in your face. look around the league, u've got rooks and people who barely stood on the court getting major minutes, the Rocks need to do that too... because griffin and tmo are going to be the crunch time players eventually.

btw, Willis is leading the nba in rebounds per minute. this guy hasn't lost his want for getting "game" at all

 

Glen Rice is still in pre-season form, and Walt Williams isn't doing better either.

Although both will take the lion's share of minutes at small forward, Rudy Tomjanovich, at some point, has to look at the numbers.

They haven't scored enough, given their minutes.

Why not insert Terence Morris and Eddie Griffin for a few more minutes that they would have been given, to try them out? These rookies need a sense of motivation or urgency to improve.

Or just don't give Rice and Williams the ball because they can't shoot, just let Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley do the shooting.

It is frustrating when, with the log jam at small forward, none of the starters have stepped up to warrant the minutes given to them as starters.

At some point, Rudy Tomjanovich might have to see what Terence Morris can do for the Rockets.