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Try to get Francis, keep Battier, trade Alston and Lucas - possible destinations?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. rofflesaurus

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    Why has Morey not even hinted at possibly getting Francis? because he DOESNT want him. Rockets do not want Francis.
     
  2. anon3803

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    Maybe it's because he's not available until Tuesday or Wednesday next week? The waiver time period is 7 days and no team is going to jump before that. I think the only team that has seriously started talking with him are the Clips and that's because of Mobley and Cassell. All talks of the Mavs, Houston, and the Heat is just speculation by sports writers so far. I haven't seen anything confirmed about Francis talks with any teams.
     
  3. forchette49

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    Well, Chucky Atkins just agreed to terms with Denver this afternoon so it looks like it'll be a Blake-Atkins committee next season for the Nuggets.

    Cleveland seems to be the only logical taker of Alston now... Maybe Miami if Mo stays in Milwaukee or vice versa?
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    exposed because there was no one else to play the point position. Because no one can set up an offense and take care of the ball besides rafer. Francis does neither of those.
     
  5. BEXCELANT

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    You're right cause Francis is a scorer and leads the league in Free Throw percentage. Francis probably has a better 3 pt shot than does Alston. Rafer is a bricklayer.
     
  6. PeteTheCheat

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    refresh my memory.

    we can still trade james in a 1 for 1 deal correct?

    the idea of james and francis sharing pg minutes sounds like a nightmare. so imagine how I might feel about them possibly sharing the court...

    a rafer/steve combo makes alot more sense.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, considering the feedback I got for the Denver trade idea, and the fact that they just signed Chucky Atkins, and knowing that they are desperate for a good three-point shooter, do you think this one would be more realistic than the first idea I had? This would also mean keeping Alston, as a different type of point guard than Francis and James, so one could plug him in if they were to become too shot-happy.


    Houston Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing

    Houston's first round pick in 2008

    John Lucas
    5-11 PG from Oklahoma State
    3.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.2 minutes

    Luther Head
    6-3 PG from Illinois
    10.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.6 minutes

    Kirk Snyder
    6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno
    4.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 14.4 minutes

    Bob Sura
    6-5 from Florida State
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming

    Marcus Camby
    6-11 C from Massachusetts
    11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -7.9 ppg, +5.7 rpg, and -0.9 apg.

    Denver Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing

    Marcus Camby
    6-11 C from Massachusetts
    11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes
    Incoming

    Houston's first round pick in 2008

    John Lucas
    5-11 PG from Oklahoma State
    3.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.2 minutes

    Luther Head
    6-3 PG from Illinois
    10.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.6 minutes

    Kirk Snyder
    6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno
    4.9 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 14.4 minutes

    Bob Sura
    6-5 from Florida State
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +7.9 ppg, -5.7 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


    Successful Scenario
    Due to Houston and Denver being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Denver had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



    To the people who ask "Why would Denver do this?" - mainly because they want to/need to save money (and they would save a LOT of money with this deal) - but also, in this one, they would get two actual assets - Head who almost led the league in 3-point fg percentage last year and a first round pick.

    So what about this one?
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

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    :confused: leads the league in FT %?

    francis is a worse 3pt shooter than rafer :eek:

    but he can throw down "sick" dunks so i guess he is better.

    Francis is/was a talented player but rockets need at least 1 pg on this team that can actually play the PG position traditionally and run an offense...francis isnt that type of pg.
     
  9. PeteTheCheat

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    while I am all for the idea of bringing in camby I just don't see it happening. for starters he makes 10+mil for 3 more years, so suddenly we're in luxury tax hell.
    secondly denver will be looking for alot more than that for Camby. head is good, but at this point one dimensional and nowhere near a star. JL3 might develop into a good back-up in a run and gun system...but thats the roll they brought atkins in for. and a late first round pick doesn't have a very appealling face value.

    not to mention we'd then have a logjam at te 4/5 for minutes. I think our big dillema has essentially been solved for the offseason, at least in the eyes of mgmt. scola was brought in to assume starts minutes (by the end of next season at least).
     
  10. RedRowdy111

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    dawg that is a stupid trade idea....post it over on a Nuggets board and watch them laugh you off the web...its just ignorant.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    The way I look at it is value for money. I think if you can get a player of Francis' caliber for the LLE or something like that, then you HAVE TO take that opportunity. Even with all his weaknesses - he also has a lot of strengths, and I could probably name 10 guards off the top of my head in the league who cost a lot more than Francis would cost the Rockets and who are way worse than he is. It would really be a low-risk move to get him.

    I see your point of wanting to have a different type of point guard than Francis/James on the roster, though, therefore I modified my trade proposal and replaced Alston with Head/Snyder (see above).


    According to Hoopshype, Camby makes 8, 8 and 7.5 mio. over the next three years.

    I understand that Denver will be looking for more - but I guess they have already been looking for more for a while and have not gotten it. Camby is 33 with three years left on his contract and he has had a lot of injuries over the years. I don't think their chances of getting something of higher value for Camby will increase from here on out. Another thought I just had...would Mutombo possibly be interested in finishing his career in Denver (where he spent a big part of his career) and, if a separate sign-and-trade deal could be reached, that could make the whole package more attractive to Denver?

    Also...remember this?

    On February 24, 2005, Davis was traded from the Hornets to the Golden State Warriors for guard Speedy Claxton and veteran forward Dale Davis after tension with the Hornets coaching staff and several nagging injuries.

    I think the trade I proposed (especially with the first round pick included) is a lot less lopsided than that one ;).

    I agree that we already look a LOT better than when the offseason started, but I guess one will always still want to improve further :).

    You mean...laugh me off the web...just like Spurs fans would have laughed me off the web had I - a week ago - suggested the trade we just made with them yesterday? :) Remember - with the trade I suggested, Denver would save almost $ 20 mio just in salary, not even considering what they might save in luxury tax additionally.

    That's a lot of money they could use to improve their team in other ways.
     
  12. Rileydog

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    good lord. Alston is not going to fetch us Camby. neither is a bunch of potential 8-11 rotation players.

    And please, please do not get Francis. As I posted in the other francis thread, he is the death of ball movement, player movement. the two things on which any Adelman offense is built. He didn't like Mobley in Sacto b/c the offense ceased to flow when Cat got the ball. Stevie makes Mobley seem like Steve Nash or larry legend as a passer.

    Alston is a better fit than Francis in this offense>
     
  13. Guru

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  14. hooroo

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    That writer who used to hate on the Rockets because of JVG and was a real homer for Phil Jackson thinks Justin Reed is a really giood energy guy.
     
  15. solid

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    Enjoy the discussion, but Francis is not coming here.
     
  16. Guru

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    Forget Francis, we need a back up SG/SF with some size. There's a chance Bonzi will come to camp like he did last year.
     
  17. hooroo

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    Keep Mike Harris, sign Ime Udoka.
     
  18. Desert Scar

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    I agree Camby is a pipedream. Start with Battier and Head or Alston (which I don't think I want to do) and they might not hang up the phone either laughing or angry, maybe.

    On Francis, I am just not interested. James/Alston/Head are all healthier and all are certainly more disciplined, within the system players--in competing for 1 minutes and back-up 2 minutes behind Tmac. Francis even makes Mike James seem discipline and focused, not that it is James' strength. I'd certainly take Francis back for the vet min or LLE, but we honestly could not and should not promise him PT over Alston, James and Head.

    Marshall would help. In all honesty I am more confident of his NBA worthyness for 20MPG than Scola or Landry at this point. At least we would have a fall back position of someone who could help out Hayes just in case Scola or Landry have terrible flaws once brought against NBA competition.

    I would imagine Cleveland would give Marshall away for free. Basically a combination of player that include Sura, Snyder, JL3 or Novak. I wouldn't trade him for Alston unless we got picks from Cleveland.

    Finally I am skeptical on counting on other teams unwantededs to produce. That means Scola (if we get him here), Bulter, and if we signed Francis. There is a reason they have been jettisoned. SA clearly thought Butler would probably never produce, and that Scola was no sure thing over the not so impressive alternatives of Elson, Oberto, and Bonner. It wasn't like Scola was competing with Duncan for PT. Now you could chalk up Francis flailing in NY to the Knicks franchise, but then Portland thought so little of his scoring punch and leadership that they would rather pay 90% of his contract and let him walk than hang around that young team.

    At least with Marshall it is understandable that Cleveland would rather have their money on Gooden and Verajo. Marshall was not actually a bad player for them for 15-20 minutes. He rebounds solid and hits 3s. They just have younger and (slightly) better ones, and Marshall is quite expensive for a team's 3rd PF.
     
  19. weslinder

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    Apparently San Antonio is prepared to give Ime Udoka a pretty big contract. They see him as Bruce Bowen's eventual replacement. He wouldn't come to back up Battier for the forseeable future.
     
  20. Sooner423

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    Udoka is already 30. I doubt he is in their long term plans.
     

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