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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. No Worries

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    The greatest truth teller of all time in the USA.

    Alex, I am going to have to go with ... Who is Donald Trump?
     
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    trump's mishandling and lies about COVID-19 are reason enough to vote him out

     
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    Kim Strassel:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-obama-biden-virus-response-11597966209?mod=hp_opin_pos_2

    The Obama-Biden Virus Response
    If H1N1 had proved as deadly as Covid-19, it could have killed nearly two million.
    By Kimberley A. Strassel
    Aug. 20, 2020 7:30 pm ET

    Is it reasonable to blame a single politician for the spread of a highly infectious virus, especially in a free country with 50 states and 330 million people? Joe Biden is lucky that wasn’t the standard a decade ago.

    If the Democratic convention produced one theme it’s that Donald Trump is personally at fault for every coronavirus death. The message is that crazy, that blunt. Kamala Harris: “Donald Trump’s failure of leadership has cost lives.” Barack Obama: “Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe: 170,000 Americans dead.”

    Democrats even claim Mr. Biden saved lives in 2014. Michelle Obama: “Our leaders had worked hand in hand with scientists to help prevent an Ebola outbreak from becoming a global pandemic.” Ms. Harris last week: “Remember that pandemic? Barack Obama and Joe Biden did their job. Only two people died in the United States.”

    Ebola is a terrifying disease, but outbreaks tend to happen only in very poor nations, and if caught early the virus is difficult to transmit outside hospitals. Anthony Fauci said in 2014 that a U.S. outbreak was “very, very, very unlikely.” Mr. Obama told Americans to chill out: “Ebola is actually a difficult disease to catch. It’s not transmitted through the air like the flu.”

    The Ebola example is designed to divert attention from a more relevant comparison: the H1N1 swine-flu outbreak of 2009-10. Democrats don’t like to talk about H1N1, because it didn’t go well. If it had been as deadly as Covid-19, the toll would have been catastrophic. The history is a powerful reminder that governments can’t stop a virus—although they can make epidemics worse.

    H1N1 began much like corona, with panicked stories in late April 2009 about a novel “hybrid” flu strain in Mexico that was popping up in the U.S. It was even more alarming, in that it especially affected children. Yet the new administration began with a muddled message. Mr. Obama encouraged calm, while Mr. Biden rambled a warning about staying off airplanes and public transport—prompting backlash. “Biden’s flu gaffe a headache for Obama,” read one headline.

    Within days, some 30 states had suspected cases, and by April 27 the U.S. had its first death, a 23-month-old child. Other countries started shutting facilities, telling citizens to stay home, quarantining visitors. The Obama administration still had no idea how deadly the disease was, though the World Health Organization called the outbreak a threat to “all humanity,” and health experts predicted hospitals would be overloaded.

    The administration nonetheless took a resigned approach to its spread. Mr. Obama didn’t close the Mexican border, saying that would “be akin to closing the barn doors after the horses are out.” His officials did declare a health emergency (Mr. Obama was golfing that day) and distributed the national stockpile (which they never replenished). The administration recommended schools “consider” closing if experiencing an outbreak, though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention chief said this might not help with spread and warned about taking kids out of classrooms. No one considered a national lockdown, especially not an administration focused on a fragile economic recovery. Mr. Obama promised to “control” the “impact” of the virus—not the virus itself. He asked Congress for all of $1.5 billion.

    Authorities grew more optimistic as H1N1 turned out to be less deadly than had been feared, but they still faced the risk of an uglier strain in the fall. Team Obama promised 100 million doses of vaccine by mid-October. (A flu vaccine is easier to produce than a coronavirus vaccine). But government setbacks in production, manufacturing and dosing protocols resulted in only 11 million doses, prompting national outrage. By that point, the CDC estimated 22 million Americans had been infected, 36,000 children hospitalized, and 540 kids had died.

    Before Covid-19, Democrats were willing to admit they’d dodged a bullet. Former Biden chief of staff Ron Klain said at Texas A&M in 2019: “We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time, and it is just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass-casualty events in American history. [It] had nothing to do with us doing anything right; just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918. Just go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math.”

    Yes, let’s do the math. The U.S. has some five million reported cases of coronavirus and 170,000 deaths. A virus with the spread of H1N1 and fatality rate of Covid-19 could produce a death toll approaching two million. The Trump administration response has been flawed—in particular its initial testing delays. But let’s acknowledge (as Democrats once did) that there is only so much government can do to “control” a germ. As for distributing equipment, providing antivirals and developing a vaccine, the current response has so far met or exceeded 2009-10. Mr. Biden is free to argue he’s a better man for the White House; he shouldn’t get to rewrite history, or virology.

    Write to kim@wsj.com.

     
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    Seriously, what kind of sh*theel regularly uses updates of spikes in other countries to cover up the awful job he's doing?

    And its pretty much the only time he acknowledges the validity of COViD stats from these nations.
     
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    wait so a single politician can take credit but not blame?
     
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    Comparing the response to Trump's is a bad move for Trump allies such as yourself.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ffort-tag-obamas-swine-flu-response-disaster/
     
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    We only have 15 cases and soon it will be zero.

    We will be back and opening up for Easter.

    One day it will all just disappear like magic.
     
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    "We should have a vaccine soon.........by, around, ooooooooh, Election Day."

    "Mister President, that seems optimistic."

    "Well, and then what? Do you want to have Sloppy Joe handle the vaccine?"

    "Don't you mean 'Sleepy Joe', Mister President?"

    "What did I say, 'Sloppy Joe'? Guess I'm hungry. But it fits. I'll use it from now on, I like it. Sloppy Joe will just hand all the vaccine to the Blacks and to illegals and Grampa and Gramma Dakota White won't get a drop......and they'll die. Believe me."

    "Mister President, that seems extreme."

    "That's what'll happen! Believe me."

    "Mister President, we're getting a call from the makers of Sloppy Joe, they're issuing a cease and desist letter...."
     
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    trump still promoting clorox as a COVID-19 cure...

     
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    #4915 deb4rockets, Aug 22, 2020
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    The IiC must not have gotten the memo that the FDA works for him.
     
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    According to the latest message I got from Q is that this thing goes all the way to the top.
    THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS UNDERMINING TRUMP!!
     
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    Of course if the FDA threatened to release his tax records, the IiC would figure out fast how to get the FDA in line.
     
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    trump's attack on the FDA seems to have worked (for trump)... and this is the announcement trump was desperate to get the night before the trump convention.

    FDA to authorize plasma treatment over scientists' objections
    President Trump supported the authorization; many scientists have opposed it.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/plasma-treatment-coronavirus-fda-trump-400390
     
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    Trump didn't get the vaccine he wanted by the start of the RNC, so he is doing the old bait and switch with this emergency authorization.

    It's all politics and optics for this f**ker. MAGA supporters thought they were voting for a guy who would drain the swamp. But they got the Swamp Thing instead.
     
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