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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. BigDog63

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    What about that is any different than what the Democrats are doing....besides the Democrats using the Department of Justice to help them do it? Other than you being too blind to see that, I mean.

    For what it's worth....https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm puts that figure within its estimate of flu deaths as well. Are they lying too? Or, oh wait, does that make it Not a Lie?! That puts a bit of a dent in your TDS rant, but cie la vie.

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    Why not?

    it's a valid comparison regardless of whether the numbers are similar. The comparison is that lots of people die, ever year, from automobile accidents, yet we still drive. We could completely eliminate all automobile accidents, and yet all automobile accident deaths, if we chose to. Yet, who choose not to. THAT's the point. There are fairly large numbers of deaths we as a country, and as individuals, have decided are acceptable, and preferable to shutting the country down. This is simply...true. No amount of TDS changes that.


    Or, he's making a valid comparison and point, depending on one's degree of TDS. We see where you fall on that.

    TDS again. If you don't realize this is a total strawman, I'll help you out. It's a total strawman. Unless you can point to where 1) he said there were no safety measures in place for driving, and 2) he talked about having no safety measures in place for CV. You won't find either, and they aren't stuck anywhere in your nice big straw man either.

    Strawman continues. You don't have to completely shut down the country to reduce CV either. So...what's your point?

    Let me help you out again. We could ELIMINATE all automobile accident deaths. ALL OF THEM. Saving like 40,000 people a year! But...we don't. We have decided it's not worth the cost, to ourselves, and to the economy. Hence the analogy. Pretty easy to follow if anyone even bothers to try. Same with the flu, too.

    Completely on board with keeping Biden as far away from office as possible.
     
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  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The lengths and verbal flips that people need to go for to defend Trump is staggering, why not just admit you have no integrity and you are ok with a guy who lies all the time, has been convicted of fraud in a children's charity, convicted of running a fake University another case of fraud, was sued for having sex with a 13 year old girl with Epstein, puts children in internment camps, pays off p*rn stars illegally, and enriches himself at our own taxpayers expense.

    Just admit it...you are ok with that.....but lord forbid we have a half black man in the Whitehouse......I mean.....let the RACIST flag fly boys!!

    DD
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Trump (the Company) Asks Trump (the Administration) for Hotel Relief
    The president’s family business pays at least $3 million a year to the federal government for the lease on its D.C. hotel, which is all but empty because of the virus. The next monthly payment is coming due
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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  4. fchowd0311

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    I think you need to take remedial grade school math courses and relearn the concept of "rate of change"


    If automobile related deaths were increasing at an exponential rate every week, people would be scared shitless and wondering what the **** is going on.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...eople-to-understand-covid-19-coronavirus/amp/
     
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  5. deb4rockets

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    Are you serious? Crazy Trumpateer take.
    There is no vaccination for Covid-19, and that makes it much more dangerous. According to the CDC the flu vaccination was effective in preventing the most severe forms of flu and reduced the risk of being admitted to an ICU with flu by 82 percent.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm

    If you believe in Trump there is probably someone somewhere with an oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you. Actually, it sounds like something Trump might sell you.
     
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  6. No Worries

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  7. DaDakota

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    Nope, no relief, borrow against assets.....

    DD
     
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    Yet he continues to busk for death...

    More Deaths, No Benefit from Malaria Drug in VA Virus Study
    21 Apr 2020
    The Associated Press | By Marilynn Marchione
    A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

    The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.

    The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

    Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.

    About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

    Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.

    Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

    Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.

    Many doctors have been leery of the drug.

    At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.

    Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not” and needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis.

    The NIH and others have more rigorous tests underway.

    The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

    This article was written by MARILYNN MARCHIONE from The Associated Press and was legally licensed through the NewsCred publisher network. Please direct all licensing questions to legal@newscred.com.
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    Yeah because we are staying at home and it is working as hospitals can keep up with ICU and ventilators.

    DD
     
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  11. AB

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    how does a question on what is up with kim jong un?

    turn into

    I have a good relation with him, if someone else was there we wold be at war with N Korea, when I saw the news in CNN i did not believe because they are fake( paraphrasing)

    May be I am being harsh on people asking questions.. it doesn't matter what question you asked...
     
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  12. vlaurelio

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    Kim Jong Un is the only reason why Trump isn't the worst leader out there
     
  13. donkeypunch

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    All hail great leader trump for saving us from a war with the N Koreans. He and only he, could have prevented it.
     
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  14. IBTL

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    They kept asking dr birx about tattoo and hairdresser in Georgia and she says 'We were very clear about social distancing"
    and that phase 1 blah blah that basically you cant get your haircut.

    The fact they wont say it is maddening and it is against doctor order and phase 1 yet some will open?
    Wow what a shi**tshow.

    I was starting to like dr birx too
     
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  15. SamFisher

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    Are you serious? NK is much better off than it was 4 years ago, us not so much.

    And both of these things are attributable to Trump, who I'm beginning to think might be kind of a piece of **** human being and a worse president
     
  16. TheRealist137

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    Un is a dictator, the Korean people have no say as to who leads their country.

    trump got elected, which is highly embarrassing for the people of America.
     
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  17. AleksandarN

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    You kidding right? Is accidents contagious? The comparisons are completely terrible and misleading to say the least.
     
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    IMO if people are going to compare coronavirus deaths to automobile accidents, they should be looking at pedestrian deaths. After all, most car accidents happen due to the error of the driver or because of alcohol and drugs. But coronavirus deaths are mostly happening randomly to people who did not intentionally put themselves in harm's way. That would be much like the deaths of pedestrians, who didn't even choose to put themselves inside a vehicle.

    In the U.S., there were 6,590 pedestrians death in the entire year. (Which incidentally was the highest in 30 years.)
    Now imagine if that number rose to 30,000 in a single month.
    And also imagine that experts were saying that the number would plateau at around 60,000 (still over 9 times that of pedestrian deaths) but on the condition that people stay home as much as possible and avoid using crosswalks for the rest of the year. If not, the number could exponentially blow up. Also, millions more pedestrians will be involved in car accidents in which they survive but need hospitalization.

    Of course this is still an imperfect comparison, but closer I think than comparing all car accident deaths to the effects of the coronavirus.
     
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  19. Andre0087

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    @BigDog63 is trolling...no one is that stupid.
     
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  20. deb4rockets

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    Another blatant lie that only Trumpateers will fall for. They believe anything without checking the facts.

    "Our mortality rate remains roughly 1/2 that of many other countries and one of the lowest of any country in the world."

    I just checked, and only 13 countries in the world have a higher Covid-19 mortality rate per million than the United States. Trump should not be allowed to blatantly put out false facts regarding a pandemic, simply to push his own agenda, which certainly isn't protecting the people.

    Some of those countries have so few people their death per million is high. Sint Maarten 10 deaths, Channel Islands 24 deaths, Andorra 37 deaths, San Marino 40 deaths, and Ireland 730 deaths, are all higher per million. The only other countries in the world with more deaths per million than us are Italy, France, Spain, UK, and Switzerland.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
     
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