Trump Voters: time to admit that you've been duped

I wholeheartedly agree with this... and I am vehemently against almost everything about Trump and what he stands for. If you care about America, your wish is for any of our elected officials to succeed at an unprecedented level. I want prosperity and safety for all my fellow Americans and the advancement of our country... a resignation or impeachment would be an enormous setback in that regard.

Not to mention the prospect of President Pence... I'm always worried about "true believers" like him.

 

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I think Trump voters got duped by their public school government teachers.

They thought that we lived in a Monarchy where the President can do whatever he wants and the Judicial/Legislative branch are supposed to support it.

It seems the majority of these Trump voters were failed by their educational system.

 

I disagree. You can call it duped but its 6 months into a presidency. People are no worse off here than they were a year ago. How can you say anyone was duped here? Until you demonstrate that people here have materially less wealth because of our president, I can't disagree.

We need to get out of our bubble when it comes to Trump. Everyone is getting outraged about Russian collusion and the general incompetence of the White House. The fact is that tax reform will be the piece that will truly test loyalties. If Democrats can properly demonstrate how imbalanced these tax cuts will be, Trump and the Republicans will get slaughtered in 2018. Also if the economy tanks in any way, the Republicans are toast.

Republicans control the state legislature here thanks to two successive Republican waves. I'm happy to see that change.

 

Good Lord

I'm not indignant. I'm astonished.

 

I'd say being no worse off is insufficient. Trump promised these people all kinds of things to make their lot better.

 

He lies about everything and some people could see that he has a pattern of doing that his whole life...gullible people are gullible for a reason.

DD

 

Since I live in MN I'm going to respond to geeimsobored. I agree overall that economic issues are what swung several Midwest states over to Trump and made MN very close. What I think you're missing though is that many of the rural districts in MN have been following the same trend of much of rural America in becoming more conservative and consequently more Republican. The national perception of Minnesota has been that it is a liberal bastion but in many ways it is purple state in more ways than Prince and the Vikings. This is the same state that in the last twenty years elected Tim Pawlenty twice, Michelle Bachmann four times, and barely elected Dayton and Franken. According to many pundits in Minnesota the idea of the Iron Range as a DFL (Democrat Farmer Labor, what the MN Democrat party is called) stronghold died when ideological conservative Rod Gramms won US Senate in 1994. Four years ago they even kicked out Capital Hill icon Jim Oberstar for a political novice Republican who didn't even live in the 8th district. The DFL currently holds both senate seats and governorship but no longer controls the legislature. Even before Trump MN was very susceptable to becoming a red leaning state and as WI shows it wouldn't take much for things to tip to Republican control.

While I agree that the economic issues you cite were very important towards tipping things to Trump in several of MN's rural districts including the Iron Range these were areas that had broken from the DFL and national Democrats largely because of social issues. At one time the DFL was largely the anti-abortion party but as things have changed and Minnesota Democrats and Republicans have aligned more with their national parties many older rural voters have followed suit. The massive shift that you point out was something that shouldn't be surprising that a candidate that could appeal to a economic dislocation in rural districts while also, at least professing the socially conservative views, was bound to do well in rural Minnesota.

That said if you are going to focus on the economy those should also be the ones that feel the most duped. Trump's protectionist policies already are having a negative effect on the agricultural sector as many countries are cutting back on importing US agricultural products. The Minnesota mining sector isn't based on coal but on iron and is also heavily dependent on export. There protectionist policies are bound to have a negative effect. As someone who actually has represented MN in trade discussions the MN economy is very dependent on export in raw materials and other sectors that Trump polices aren't going to benefit it.

From what I'm seeing though of die hard Trump supporters in MN though is that they don't feel duped for the same reasons that others including here on Clutchfans have cited. Many of them bring up the "but Hilllary" defense too and are fully convinced that if not for Trump MN would be under Sharia law with Mexican rapists running rampant.

 

Trump and his 13 bankruptcies will be able to help the economy? Really?

See, my take is that simple people believed that, to their own detriment - the Republicans are the minority party in this country and shrinking by the day, but due to an outdated and Archaic electoral college system - they got just enough to win the election.

The problem is not that folks mind they won, it is that they put an IDIOT into the White house.....and worse than that, a probably COLLUDING with a foreign power idiot.

Now, we can sit here and bang them over the head or join hands and go...yep, we need something better.....and together kick his ass to the curb and force the DNC to embrace a more popular progressive agenda that has a Universal Healthcare system, true investment in infastructure and emerging technologies, and placing those bets in communities that have been hurt the most to help them recover.....you know...proper governance.

DD

 

Repeating it here. This data indicate real 'fk, been dup'd'


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Buried in the Quinnipiac poll is this important data on Trump's support among White non-college voters. These are the typical "swing" voters and he just have a net lost with them for the first time.



https://www.wfdd.org/story/trump-hits-new-low-white-non-college-voters

Historically, you can see how much this group move over the years:



EDIT: replace with better graph

 

Whoa... Trump must not like New Hamsphire?