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Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Federalists will claim circumventing Congress is bad mojo, among other needlessly boring and academic things....
     
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    Amazing how trump will simply blatantly lie to get his vanity wall...



    Where in this poll does it show 70% of "suburban women" supporting his wall????

    https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/882...s-national-emergency-for-border-fence-funding

    Other polls also show women oppose the wall, and that opposition is growing:

    https://www.investors.com/politics/border-wall-trump-ibd-tipp-poll/
     
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    I condemn all violence committed by illegals.
     
  5. Cohete Rojo

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    Medicare For All: $10's trillions
    Green New Deal: $10's trillions
    Border Wall: Where the **** are we ever going to get the money to pay for that?
     
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    Hey the world needs medicare, who are we to block them from coming here and living the free American dream?
     
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    Last six years of Obama's presidency ...

    Republicans: Where the **** are we ever going to get the money to pay for that?[
     
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    yeah 2 years of trump with his 2 gop houses you tell us
     
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    Fair point about the criteria. However, I disagree about the reason being "economic" as it seems more like a chicken or the egg question. I think violence, corruption, and instability are what they are really fleeing from.

    That's a good point as I was being too general. People with certain skills and knowledge have never done better as the upper middle class has exploded over the last 30-40 years with these tech booms. I believe you charts show that below.

    Well first of all.... what you are describing is what the GOP calls being "business friendly", especially in the Great State of Texas.

    I think the bigger question is how well would have the US competed globally without illegal immigration? You say an American gets paid 17hr plus benefits while an illegal gets 9hr, Would 17hr with benefits be able to compete globally? I'm certainly not advocating illegal immigration as a means of growth, but more pushing back against the notion that a lot of low income, low skilled folks immigrating over two decades is a net negative.

    To elaborate more on my response above, I would expect an advanced capitalist economy like the US to automate and outsource where it can. Unfortunately this affects the lower middle class the most and has bifurcated the middle class into upper and lower middle class more so than possibly ever. The specific issue of illegal immigration is more about enforcement.
     
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    What did people do before insurance companies and Big Pharma screwed up our medical system?

    Removing illegals from our burden will help, but we need to open up insurance competition across state lines to let capitalism do its thing. With big pharma, those scum suckers need to be jailed.
     
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    Get sick and die because you have 20 illegals in front of you at the emergency room.
     
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    They cost nearly $20 billion a year just for their healthcare if that number I found from Forbes is accurate. We can use that for the wall.
     
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    That’s crazy talk, immoral!
     
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    Except the wall wouldn't stop most of them, so...
     
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    Walls stop, deter, and slow down. Walls work. There needs to be disincentives for them to come here. Take away their ability to earn income and get benefits, and you cut off their reason to cross in many cases. They are like ants to sugar. Get rid of the sugar and they will cease to come here. Add a wall and you will at least help enforce the border against people willing to come despite deterants. I have said it before and I will again. I am in favor of bolstering our border. I am not sure if we need a complete wall but more is needed and upgrades are as well in light of the caravans. Unstability in Central and South America will likely mean more people coming in groups. Action is needed.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean by opening insurance competition across state lines. If you want insurance from Oklahoma, I believe you can get it. Why would you want to travel to another state to see a doctor? I'm sure you must mean something different by your statement. I would love more explanation please.
     
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    I mean you have to buy health insurance according to the state your permanent address is. This inhibits the market from having more competition, making price fixing and trusts more likely. Allowing, or I should say forcing these companies, to compete may help ease prices. Correct me if I am wrong or bring some more info if you have it.

    Large edit: Trump mentioned this, but honestly I didn't know he did until reading further about it. This is another idea he has toyed with that I already agree with, but he still hasn't taken action and it has been two years! That is irritating to say the least. Sounds like he realized he couldn't, or just didn't follow through because he either lacked support for it or he himself had no intention of doing it just like the wall he failed to start for two years. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-joint-address-congress/

    "And finally, the time has come to give Americans the freedom to purchase health insurance across state lines — (applause) — which will create a truly competitive national marketplace that will bring costs way down and provide far better care. So important."

    So important indeed lol.
     
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    Wow... the solution to riding health care costs for the individual can be solved by opening up insurance across state lines... what a novel ideal!

    Well, maybe not... cross-state selling (and tort reform) were the two ways republicans tried to suggest instead of the Affordable Care Act. The after ACA passed, they tried to counter with cross-state selling again:

    https://theeconreview.com/2017/07/16/good-in-theory-insurance-sales-across-state-lines/

    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/selling-insurance-across-state-lines/
    https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2017/03/07/443794.htm
    https://theeconreview.com/2017/07/16/good-in-theory-insurance-sales-across-state-lines/
    https://www.naic.org/documents/topics_interstate_sales_myths.pdf
    http://www.berkeleywellness.com/hea...ling-insurance-across-state-lines-wont-reduce
     
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    Thanks for the response. I'm still not clear on something. Even if I was allowed to buy insurance in MS which would be cheaper why would I want to travel to MS to see a doctor or specialist?

    Because if MS companies star paying the prices of doctors in my state, it won't be cheaper insurance for very long.

    If I'm going with what you're advocating, wouldn't that be a problem?
     
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    https://www.justsecurity.org/62710/...nts-claim-national-emergency-southern-border/
     

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