Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

trump tweeted twice about this:




Well, turns out he was lying (yea, I know, shocked face).

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234613/trump-tweets-border-wall-construction-explained

 

Hmm... may need a plan d...



Congress could block big chunk of Trump’s emergency wall money

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/congress-block-big-chunk-trumps-emergency-wall-money

 

Trump doesn't need a wall or funding. He needs to look like he tried for his base. He will convince them he tried and use finish the wall for a campaign point in 2020.

 

Can we declare state of emergency for roads and Bridges too?

Get **** done Donny!

 

I'll support that.

I am also waiting for him to take action and fix healthcare... that should be a national emergency too.

 

Here's the qualifications for asylum - individuals facing Persecution in relation to one of five protected grounds - Race , religion , nationality , political opinion or belonging to a particular social group (Being gay would be an example here).

These "caravan members" are all fleeing economic issues. Even if you throw in the cartel issues - they don't qualify as the "persecution" doesn't fit the parameters.


As for wage depression - its a real issue tho not an "across the board" one that affects everything - its limited to those industries where illegal labor is commonly used.
What we've done is allowed multiple millions of individuals all within the same socio-economic group to join the workforce flooding the labor market. The construction industry was hit particularly hard as has been some parts of the manufacturing industry , as I stated above , I had to change my entire business model or go under because of illegal labor.


I worked for a major Houston manufacturer that I wont name , they use immigrant labor - both legal and illegal rather than domestic labor because it was significantly cheaper - no 401k to match , no healthcare to fund , no workers comp … the list goes on.
They had FIVE shell company "labor agencies" who supplied them labor - their tactic was to recruit individuals from South American Countries (Guatemala , El Salvador , Colombia , Honduras , Nicaragua , Venezuela) promising them visa's , housing and transportation to and from work. Problem is , NONE of them qualify for the H1B1 Visa that was used. To qualify for this visa you must have a bachelors degree or greater in your field of work. These cats didn't have a 2nd grade education much less a BA in anything - other than working their asses off , they were significantly more productive than their American counterparts , I'll give them that.
They spend 9 months working in the US then return home for 3 months taking with them about $3000 each for their troubles. Some have been doing this for upwards of two decades.
The company paid these people $9hr …. that's been the rate since the mid 90's and hasn't changed. Again , no workers comp / medical / 401k.
Their American counterparts are paid ~$17hr with all of the above benefits but they were a significant minority , 1100 employee's on the manufacturing side alone about two dozen "American" - generally lead type positions where some mathematical / management skills were required , the remainder a mix of visa , visa overstays and illegals.

Why bother paying an American $17hr plus all those benefits unless the alternative $9hr option cant perform the required task ??!


These are things I've seen first hand …. Those who aren't close to the situation , don't feel any affects directly will be more inclined to believe something different - all the gubmint statistics …. which are a crock of **** to cover for their failures or their "desire" to have these people as without them our economy just cant support the debt load our gubmint officials have placed upon us.

You do the math - 11m (that's the conservative estimate) illegals who almost all fall into the same socio-economic group as our working poor competing with them for jobs and willing to do those jobs for less (that's a proven fact). Its depressed the wages at the lower end of the wage scale. The people who are affected are those who are most vulnerable to begin with.

The middle of the wage scale hasn't changed a whole lot either while top has continued to rise.

 

Thank you for bringing sanity. Yes this is a great post.... and the data clearly shows a lot of higher wages are not going to a lot of people and there in lies the problem people who want UBI and open borders/leniency are in denial about. You can actually put more money into the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder if you simply eliminate competition for jobs by eliminating the scabs of society.... illegal labor.

I am highly pro-worker and it boggles my mind why people can't see this basic economic concept unless they aren't affected by it or biased because they are personally tied to an illegal.

 

I think its more of a party affiliation thing than anything else …. people have already picked a side - facts be damned.

Unless someone has seen first hand the damages , they overlook them as inconsequential and believe the facts as presented by their party of choice. Both parties use stuff like this to generate support but to me its abundantly clear that neither side really wants to solve the issue - if they did they would start by making it difficult to impossible for these illegal immigrants to find work - the way to accomplish that is to implement E-Verify on a national level and enforce it strictly with heavy fines for those who violate employment laws.

If these people cant find work , they wont come.

These economic migrants can be stopped without physical barriers tho I am in favor of strategically located barriers.

 

Agree fully.

 

Democrats introduce disapproval of Trump’s border emergency declaration
Rep. Joaquin Castro told reporters there was one Republican cosponsor — Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/democrats-introduce-disapproval-of-trumps-border-emergency-declaration

 

I feel like the accusation of lying is a lie. Like all good lies, it has some truth. So, this New Mexico barrier is a replacement job using 2017 appropriations. Great. But, some of the fencing being replaced are vehicle barriers. Something like this:


If they replace that with an 18' steel slat fence like this:



...I'd call that some new wall. Anti-wall forces are perhaps too aggressive on claims on the truth to win their point. The hardening that Trump is doing on the border seems to be real and has impacts on migrants, on the budget for maintenance, on the environment, and on our reputation. I don't think we're doing ourselves any favors to pretend like this isn't happening.

 

Just for fun I will argue the anti-wall side: but ladder... grapple hook... mobile stair truck from the airport...

lol because Walls don't work. We need all these extra tools to scale them. Because they don't stop people.

 

OK, I see your point. It was started in April, and 11 miles were completed in August, and the final 9 miles (totaling 20 miles of fence) was being completed. So what would you say... trump was 50% lying?



Or mostly false?



Happy?

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/08/17/contractor-progress-border-wall-new-mexico/

 

Maybe 50% lying. But we're arguing politically while policy is being carried out under our willful ignorance. I'd like us to be very specific about what's true instead of passing judgment on people's honesty. Even if Trump was 100% right on this, he'd still be a lying sack of ****.

Thanks for the article. I found an old one too from the local El Paso paper: https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...ear-santa-teresa-trigger-questions/508172002/. The wall is west of the border crossing at Santa Teresa, NM, a satellite community of El Paso. I can't figure out how many miles of vehicle barrier was replaced, and how much of it was old pedestrian fencing (which, btw, looks a bit shorter (12 feet?) and less hard, but still plenty hard to traverse). It is very credible to me to say that an anti-pedestrian barrier for 20 miles there makes more sense than a vehicle barrier, given its proximity to Juarez. It's probably equally credible to me to say that less than that is necessary because the border area near Santa Teresa is so easy for CBP to monitor. I wish we were in an environment where we can trust the professionals in the agencies to make good decisions about where a wall is appropriate and where vehicle barriers are sufficient, and where nothing is needed at all. Trump should never have made it political. And now, we really can't go back. If President Booker (or whomever) takes down some wall, we won't know whether that was operationally optimal or just political grandstanding.

 

Really they don't "Stop" them …. they do slow them down , hopefully enough to buy BP time to get to the scene or direct them elsewhere , where there is no wall.

There's only one thing that will put an end to this mess and that's stopping them from earning a dollar once they do get here. If they cant work , they cant eat or pay rent …. cant do those things they simply will not come. That is the carrot on the end of the stick.

Problem is that so many industries that rely upon illegal labor - farming / construction / hospitality …. they all have money to spend to keep things as they are , those who are harmed most by illegal labor simply don't have a voice - they are the working poor. No one gives a damn about them.
As long as the donors are happy life is peachy for the politicians.

 

So you admit we don't need a wall. Nice...

 

The August article mentioned a lawsuit... I suspect there are many lawsuits that you would think would slow or stop this.

 

Would it slow construction or just make it more expensive? If its a takings or damages claim, I could see the courts allowing the project to move forward and just award a monetary settlement to make the injured party whole.

 

LOL OK let's see, what would an NPC say... "Yeah but they are seeking asylum. It has nothing to do with trying to take a dollar out of the pockets of Americans for their own financial gain. They are all asylum seekers for sure. I know this because it matches my world view."