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Trump to declare national emergency to build border wall

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. Deckard

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    It is no secret that previous presidents have declared dozens of "national emergencies" for various reasons, but none have done what trump is attempting to do. Declare a "national emergency" for political reasons and take monies passed by Congress for one purpose, and use it for something else - against the will of Congress. That's putting aside trump declaring a "national emergency' that doesn't exist, and something that he said himself he "didn't need to do." Mr. trump is attempting an "end run" around both Congress and the constitution. That cannot stand, to loosely borrow something said by the elder President Bush when he was confronted by the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq - the Gulf War that wasn't based on lies and one I supported.

    Again, I am surprised that this is getting any support at all from those who claim to support the constitution and our system of government, with Congress having the power of the purse. This is a blatant attempt by trump to bypass both the constitution and Congress. The frantic efforts of those to manufacture excuses for trump's bizarre actions is very disturbing. Some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Our government is under attack, in my opinion, and by Mr. trump. This is far from the only bizarre and dangerous thing trump has done that is being ignored.
     
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  2. dachuda86

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    National secruity isn't political. The people opposing it are opposing it for political reasons because Trump is Hitler to them. Enough. He is doing what needs to be done. Defend our borders from violation after violation. About damn time.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Keep the blinders on, dude.
     
  4. dachuda86

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    I would need a blind fold and then to have my eyes scooped out with a rusty spoon to be as blind as yourself. You literally ignore masses of people breaking the law and crossing the border. A border that is not enforced, doesn't matter. It must matter for America to prevent further socio-economic rot.
     
  5. Deckard

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    You are lost in a sea of propaganda, the real "fake news." The vast majority of illegal drugs and illegal immigrants arrive in this country via controlled ports of entry. When it comes to drugs, through airports, or hidden in trucks and the like through controlled border crossings, and as for the vast majority of illegal immigrants, they simply overstay their visas.

    Educate yourself, dude.
     
  6. jo mama

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    haha - i wasnt even looking at names, but rather responding to the content. yall are both such uninformed, dishonest suck-ups for trump that im having a hard time keeping track of who says what!

    so basically doucheouda86 responded to a post of mine where i was responding to you. i think its cute that you two pea-brains are looking out for and coming to each others defense like this! keep up the good work!

    worth pointing out that you have failed to back up your claim that dems want to do away with the 1st and 2nd amendment.

    lets try this again...you made the false claim (lie) that most americans are in favor of a wall and now youre going off on some nonsensical tangent about how democrats "want to do away with the very first two amendments" - show me where democrats are doing this.
     
  7. dachuda86

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    Mass caravans are invasions. I didn't mention drugs by the way. I mean breaking our laws to enter. Or they lie and claim refugee status, get in, then are never seen again. No that is a problem. Keep ignoring it friend.
     
  8. Deckard

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    You are falling for the nonsense. What mass caravans? Where are they? Again, the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants get to this country by legal means. This is a phony "crisis." Wake up! Are you OK with billions being taken from disaster relief, the military? If so, why?

    I don't enjoy giving members a hard time, believe it or not, but when they regurgitate trump's lies like they are gospel, when they are made up of whole cloth, that needs to be pointed out. Broaden your sources of news! You don't have to watch MSNBC. Try the BBC, for example. Watch other sources than those like Fox and Brietbart, that are mouthpieces for trump and enablers for his insane actions.
     
  9. jo mama

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    you think that poster cares about facts? like most trumpublicans, his primary concern is being a suck-up to trump.

    he thinks beto is the mayor of el paso and that the firefighters were lying about the # of people at his rally b/c they are "his" guys.

    he is totally brainwashed and in the cult of trump. facts dont matter to those types of people.
     
  10. dachuda86

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    The dems are anti second amendment because they are largely trying to take small arms from Americans and anti first amendment because they are pro censorship in many instances regarding online platforms. If you haven't noticed it, fair enough, but that is probably what that poster was getting at. Sorry if you think I am a douche but you are quite rude so being nice to you takes real effort. Maybe go for a less abbrassive approach.
     
  11. Deckard

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    OK. So you are going to go full on crazy. What you just posted is absolute BS. I'm a Democrat. I'm also a gun owner. I know a hell of a lot of Democrats. Most of them are gun owners. What online censorship? Where is it? Show me. That's a lie, man. Both of your statements in this post of yours that I'm quoting here are damned lies, with all due respect.

    What is wrong with you?
     
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    The Washington Post today is reporting that the "character" of the migrations has changed in the past several years:

    The 126 mile stretch of Arizona and California border that comprises the Yuma sector is a mélange of worlds — tribal areas, military installations, government parks, majestic sand dunes and vast stretches of agricultural land, much of it harvested by Mexican seasonal laborers who traverse the border with work permits. Sometimes described as the sunniest place in the United States, Yuma grows much of America’s lettuce. In a local souvenir shop, one Yuma T-shirt reads: “If you’ve had a salad in the winter, you’re welcome.”

    Overall, the number of people apprehended for crossing the border illegally has decreased dramatically from a multi-decade high nearly two decades ago. In the Yuma sector there were 26,244 apprehensions of migrants crossing illegally in the 2018 fiscal year, down from 108,747 in 2000. Across the entire border with Mexico, apprehensions decreased to 396,579 from 1.6 million over the same time period.

    Although the number of apprehensions in Yuma are down from 20 years ago, they have more than quadrupled since 2014 amid an influx of families and children, primarily from Honduras and Guatemala, fleeing poverty and violence. The number of border agents assigned to the sector, meanwhile, is roughly the same now as it was in 2014.

    More than three-quarters of the people apprehended in Yuma last year crossed as unaccompanied minors or members of families including children. They tend to surrender to Border Patrol immediately after crossing into U.S. territory in what the agents call “give ups” — and many file asylum claims. Border Patrol is supposed to hold them for a maximum of 72 hours. After that, Immigration and Customs Enforcement can keep minors in immigration detention for no longer than 20 days. If a family hasn’t received a hearing by then, authorities must transfer the children to a licensed child-care facility or release them with a parent, who often receives a tracking bracelet and a court date.

    The Trump administration says these standards create a loophole that is incentivizing migrants to cross the border with children and remain in the United States illegally after their release.

    The administration initially tried to stem the influx of Central American families by separating children from parents who entered unlawfully, prompting a national outcry. Now the administration has moved toterminate the 20-day rule and expand ICE’s family detention facilities.

    In Yuma, Border Patrol agents say the changing character of the migration has strained their force. Whereas years ago they tracked mostly Mexican border crossers looking to evade detection, now they say children and families from Central America are showing up in large groups, many requiring medical care after a perilous journey through the Sonoran Desert.

    Last month, a group of 376 migrants from Central America crossed into the sector by burrowing under one of the walls erected there during the Bush administration. Nearly half of them were children.

    “Every day that we get over 100 in a group is a strain,” Border Patrol agent Justin Kallinger said.

    When the sector was apprehending adult Mexican border crossers, agents would detain them for an average of about eight hours and often send them back across the border, Kallinger said. Now, he said, the average time in sector custody is about the 72-hour maximum, because Central American migrants require a flight to get home and often are making asylum claims. Agents must provide transport, hospital escorts and food in the interim, duties now claiming far more of their time.

    For relief, they are relying on the National Guard.​

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4eea99d5e24_story.html?utm_term=.4ed36dfc90d1
     
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  13. Harrisment

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    Pro censorship you say? This tweet is from this morning.

     
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  14. jo mama

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    i treat others how they treat me...dont pretend like you dont hurl insults left and right and arent "rude" to others. look at your posts in this very thread.

    as far as your argument, you did not post one iota of factual content regarding dems wanting to do away with the first and second amendments.

    it is a lie to say "they are largely trying to take small arms from Americans". you just made that up.

    as for the 1st amendment, i dont even know what youre talking about there..."they are pro censorship in many instances regarding online platforms" - thats a very vague thing to say...what are you specifically referring to there? and how does favoring censorship online equate to wanting to do away with the first amendment.
     
  15. dachuda86

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    I said generalizations. hashtag not all son. Anyway calm down just because you don't agree or follow enough news to realize the over arching agenda among the far lefties.
     
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    Listen, I’m not going to go back and forth on this because it’s lunacy to keep pretending. The facts are most Americans want a secure border and that includes border(barriers) in certain places to help border patrol do their jobs regardless of what your fake news tells you. Hell you got Deckard saying what caravans for gods sake! Stop with the identity politics and think for yourself.
     
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    I am explaining the reason for posting. I really can't change a hardliner like you on this. You don't want to listen so why waste my time pulling articles. Many posters who follow the news surrounding guns and tech censorship know exactly what I am on about. Groan all you want man really. I agree with the other guy you attacked on his position.
     
  18. Harrisment

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    You thought Beto was the mayor of El Paso and you’re accusing others of not following enough news. Is this just a character you’re playing online of the typical oblivious Trump supporter?
     
  19. Deckard

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    I have better things to do than go back and forth with you. You don't respond to my posts, ignoring what doesn't fit your self-perceived agenda, and have no interest in learning anything that could broaden your narrow mind, which has been taken for a ride. Enjoy yourself.
     
  20. jo mama

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    lol...the poster who thought beto was mayor of el paso is telling others that they dont follow the news!
     

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