1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Trump Signs Order to Restrict Refugees from 7 Countries But Not Saudi Arabia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by crossover, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. cml750

    cml750 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,900
    Likes Received:
    3,550
    So you stand on the leftist court decisions??? So you are bowing out for now???? This will be decided at the SCOTUS level. Once Trumps outstanding nominee is confirmed, the actual law will "trump" your and any other leftist opinions whether they are leftist fact checkers or liberal anti-constitutional judges.
     
  2. cml750

    cml750 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,900
    Likes Received:
    3,550
    Deckard, I do not know what to tell you. If you are so lost you believe every alternative fact presented by the leftist media then your ignorance "trumps" anything I have ever seen. Hard to believe the left throw stones in pure glass constructed houses.
     
  3. Ubiquitin

    Ubiquitin Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Messages:
    17,775
    Likes Received:
    12,246
    edit:
    Actually, I do not care what your intent was. You just keep being you.
     
    #403 Ubiquitin, Feb 11, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2017
  4. cml750

    cml750 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,900
    Likes Received:
    3,550
    So maybe I should have clarified it is a mental disease? The only cure is common sense. I hope you get a good does of the cure some day!


    My soul is the least thing you need to worry about. I assure you my soul has been bought and washed completely clean with the blood of the Lamb. I know where I am going when my mortal body dies. Do you know where you are going when your mortal body dies? If not, you should be MUCH more concerned about your own soul. I will pray for you!
     
  5. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,020
    Likes Received:
    15,492
    I'm not an expert on reading/interpreting US Code legalese, but having quickly gone over 1187(a)(12), I'm not sure it says what you're claiming it says.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1187

    So, the requirements listed under 1187(a) are for waiving this specific requirement from 1182(a) (7)(B)(i)(II)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

    So, this specifically pertains to nonimmigrants without a valid nonimmigrant visa or border crossing ID card when applying for admissions.

    That doesn't reverse anything from the 1965 statute, I don't believe.
     
  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,747
    Likes Received:
    33,824
    Aside from seething with anger, and wishing in vain that half your fellow citizens didn't exist, you're also blissfully unaware of what Parkinson's can bring. May it always be so for you and yours. It's a terrible disease.

    May we all learn to love our neighbors, whatever their perceived failings or mistakes.
     
    KingCheetah likes this.
  7. London'sBurning

    London'sBurning Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2002
    Messages:
    7,205
    Likes Received:
    4,810
    I cracked your identity.

     
  8. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,517
    Likes Received:
    2,851
    Not really seeing the "terrorism" in these offenses listed among the 72:

    attempt or conspiracy to violate the federal narcotics laws
    false declarations in internal revenue matters
    tampering/obstruction of official proceedings
    violation of export license laws
    concealing false statements
    structuring financial transactions to conceal/avoid reporting
    ownership/control of unlicensed money transmission enterprise
    false statements
    makes or possesses counterfeited financial securities/notes/stocks/certificates
    fraud/theft of identity documents

    Can you give us more info on these 72 terrorist acts?
     
    #408 sirbaihu, Feb 12, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2017
  9. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    22,020
    Likes Received:
    18,758
    Great read below. It's a personal account of an interpreter, that risked his life working for the US Army, received a special VISA after nearly 3 years of waiting, but was banned from coming into the US due to Trump (until the court intervene).

    You think anyone ever want to work with the US military in the future if the ban sticks?

    This is part of why the ban is wrong, ill-conceived and counter-productive.

    Keep in perspective that you have a better chance of getting killed by a furniture falling on you than being killed by an Islamic terrorist attack here in the US.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...merica-i-was-detained/?utm_term=.c99db71e6552

    I started working with the U.S. Army, Bravo Company 1st Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) in Baghdad on March 1, 2003. I joined because of my complete faith that the United States had come to Iraq to give us our freedom and dignity back and remove injustice.

    ...

    I spent about a decade working for the U.S. government in Iraq, as an Army interpreter, an engineer with the Army Corps of Engineers and for the State Department at the U.S. and hospitals. When I was with my Army colleagues, we were brothers in arms. We lived together, ate together and looked out for each other. They treated me like a soldier alongside them, and we were all one unit. I still have a very strong relationship with them.

    Consulate in Irbil. I helped Americans protect Iraqis from al-Qaeda terrorists, provide water and electricity, train local police and renovate utilities, roads, bridges, schools, libraries, clinics
    In 2005 in Baghdad, two of my Iraqi colleagues were tracked and killed by terrorists. I was also ambushed, but got away. The same terrorists tried to track me a second time. They knew my home address, and I expected them to attack any moment. I lived very carefully. The day that they came to my house, I ran away before they showed up. The next day, my family and I moved to another city. But after a year and a half, the terrorists found me again. They were looking for me in a public marketplace, and I was warned by neighbors to leave. We moved again, but we knew we would not be safe forever. So I decided to try to move us to the United States.

    I contacted a friend who was an officer in the Army, and he gave me the email address for the International Refugee Assistance Project, a nonprofit based in New York that provides legal representation for people seeking refugee status. I contacted them, and their CUNY Law chapter took on my case in October 2014.

    I waited for my visa for almost three years. I filled out many forms and submitted documents to the U.S. government. I had to travel back to Baghdad to be interviewed at the embassy. I was finally granted my visa on Jan. 20, 2017, the day Trump was sworn in. I received the visas for my whole family the following Wednesday.

    ...

    Around 5:30 a.m. on Saturday, after nearly 12 hours in detention, one of the officers told me, “You have a right to talk to your attorney.” They called Jonathan Polonsky, my family’s supervising IRAP attorney. He said they were working hard to release me, filing a lawsuit to challenge the ban alongside the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups. He told me, “Do not worry about your family. They are safe with IRAP students. They have left the airport.” Federal agents continued to hold me.

    That day, one of the officers bought food for me with his own money. Finally, one of the officers told me they would help by filling out a form with my information, asking me some questions and asking me to sign it. “We will return your stuff and you will be free with your family,” one officer said. He apologized and told me they were just doing their duty and following an order. “Welcome to the United States, and thank you for serving our country,” he said. “Thank you, sir,” I told him. “I understand.” And then they released me.

    When they escorted me into the airport, a crowd greeted me. They welcomed me to the United States. In that moment, I felt the greatness of America. Yes, this is the United States of America — this is the America I knew from my work in Iraq.

    Over the course of those 18 hours, I had grown more and more disappointed. They let me down by treating me as a criminal and putting handcuffs on me. But then, I was welcomed by good people cheering for me and for my release. I came from a country where there was no respect for human rights, no freedom of speech. So I was shocked to emerge from the airport and be greeted with cameras, members of Congress and reporters asking for my opinions. The people who welcomed me at the airport deserve all I did for their country — they are the true Americans.

    ...

    America is great because of its people. The American people have shown me that they are friendly, kind and generous. They believe in freedom, in human rights, in respect for other nations.

    What happened to me did not make me cynical. I am very hopeful about my new life and the future of my family here in the U.S. I have a final message for the American people: You make up the greatest nation in the world. Thank you for your help and support. May God bless you and your country. And may you stay united.
     
  10. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,672
    Likes Received:
    54,629
    LOL. Your frustration and anger is dripping from your posts. As one wingnut troll might say... step back, gather yourself,and come back when your emotions don't continue to embarrass yourself.

    But to answer your questions... so yes, I stand on court decisions. That's how our system of laws work. two courts, four judges unanimously agree that Trump's Muslim ban should be stopped. And more courts will soon agree.

    And if it does make it to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court even decides to consider the case, its very likely the 8 current judges will be the ones to consider it, since its not a given that Gorsuch will even be confirmed by that time.

    And also LOL at your leftist fact checkers comment. I know facts have a funny way of not supporting right wing causes, but facts don't have partisan bends really. Facts are facts. That's why Trump, Bannon, and the alt-right invented "alternative" facts."
     
  11. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,672
    Likes Received:
    54,629
    And... Virginia enters the arena...

    Federal court rules against Trump’s immigration order because it discriminates against Muslims
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nates-against-muslims/?utm_term=.3ab87acb4c5b
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,747
    Likes Received:
    33,824
    Damn. Yo, but when they unleash the full power of their presidency battlestation... you'll see. Yeah, just laugh for now.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,672
    Likes Received:
    54,629
    DHS report casts doubt on need for Trump travel ban
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...76c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.355ede470c18
     
    FranchiseBlade and Yung-T like this.
  14. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    56,468
    Likes Received:
    48,433
  15. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,672
    Likes Received:
    54,629
    LOL, this administration continues to look bad due to the idiotic Trump Muslim ban...

    State Department Deletes Tweet Congratulating Iranian Director for Oscar Win
    http://www.chron.com/entertainment/...ent-Deletes-Tweet-Congratulating-10963929.php
     
  16. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Messages:
    10,344
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    What's this, Canada looking to deport refugees. But but liberal...but but Trudeaux...

     
  17. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,517
    Likes Received:
    2,851
    "Refugees!" Yes, they seek refuge from the United States! And they are not even illegal! How bad has the U.S. become?

     
  18. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,735
    Likes Received:
    52,298


     
  19. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,946
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    He's so Christ-like.
     
  20. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    8,517
    Likes Received:
    2,851
    Trump desperately makes another meaningless gesture to distract from the fact that his administration is accomplishing jack-sh#$.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now