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Trump signs executive orders limiting power of agencies

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  1. JuanValdez

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    Like everything else in our constitution, there are 2 branches in play to balance one another. Congress creates the agencies and define their mission, while the executive manages them. The president's electoral mandate isn't the only one that matters.

    That said, I don't know that this EO matters that much. He did just create a whole other layer of bureaucracy where rulemakings have to be reviewed in the OMB. But agency heads have always served the president and they will continue to with this order. The only part I worry about is the independent agencies where presidents have wanted to avoid being seen as directly accountable - justice, sec, fed, etc. I think those other presidents were wise to put some distance to those functions because they could insulate themselves from mistakes that way. Now Trump can make those decisions and be the one to blame when it goes sideways.
     
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    Where the hell did Rand Paul get his numbers? First class mail volume went from 45,982M to 44,312M from 2023 to 2024, a 3% drop, not a 80% drop.

    Total volume decreased from 116,174 M to 112,489M, a 3.1% drop.

    Revenue actually went up 1.7% from 2023 to 2024.

    Full time employee count went up 1.6% from 525k to 533k. Contractor count went down 7.6% from 114k to 105k.

    https://about.usps.com/what/financials/annual-reports/fy2024.pdf

    Did Rand Paul just make up numbers to make his point? I would quit if I were in DeJoy's position too. I wouldn't want someone crap on me for my job performance if they're just going to make up numbers.

    Requiring USPS to break even is also ridiculous. The postal service provides an invaluable service to all Americans, as required by the Constitution. USPS delivers mail to everyone, even the unprofitable ones.

    If the mail service is privatized, what's going to happen is the private industry will take on the the easy, profitable high density locations. Then just stop serving the rural communities that's in the middle of no where, forcing the government to pick up the slack and rebuild USPS that serves only those unprofitable locations. The private company will make billions while the government still paying billions for service.

    It's like pre-Obamacare health care where the insurance company will gladly take healthy people's money for decades, but boots them once they get sick and expensive. Then Medicaid will have to pick up the slack.
     
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  3. deb4rockets

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    LOL. You are so desperate to portray that psychopath and compulsive lying fraud in the oval office to Biden. You will never in a million years convince me that Trump is a leader to trust. I see right through that facade. He's a self-serving pig who will always puts his interests before anyone else, those less fortunate, or those in need. He will spit on Democracy if it gives him more power and money. He is a patriot to his empire, not his country.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    no, the point is the number of unconstitutional actions that Biden took as President. Trump is simply following in Biden's footsteps, and then some.
     
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    The libs dont like it, but Trump has the right to fire anybody he wants to fire in the 4th branch of the govt. (The unelected bureaucratic branch) They shouldn't have been stealing from the taxpayers or tried to put him in jail on a bunch of trumped up charges. The biggest mistake they made was going through his wife's underwear drawer. That pissed her off.

    This is just getting started wait until Kash takes office. He knows where the bodies are buried. The Epstien list people should be feeling very uncomfortable. Some very powerful people could be facing jail time. It's past time for these predators to face the music.
     
  6. raining threes

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    What self interests has he served in the 1st month?

    Not that I will ever be able to chnge your mind.
     
  7. astros123

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    Biden wasn't telling judges to go **** themselves like JD Vance is doing on Twitter. Biden never defied a court order by a judge. Biden wasn't shutting down whatever agencies he didn't like.

    Man what an awful individual you are. You know you don't have to run to Trumps aid every time he does something bad right?

    Disingenuous boomers with nothing better to do
     
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  8. astros123

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    "They shouldn't have been stealing from taxpayers" lol the cfpb being eliminated is stealing from every consumers bcz taxpayers can't report bank fraud and corruption. Trump firing the NLRB board means corporations can steal from workers without any consequences.

    The only thing MAGATs know how to do project on others what they are doing. You're in a cult
     
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    - Musk fired the FDA team that was investigating his neurolink company
    - Musk fired the FAA head who fined spacex for violations
    - Musk fired the NLRB board who has pending litigation against him
    - Musk fired the cfpb team who's responsible for oversight on Twitter payment system
    - Musk replaced the NASA head with his buddy who he knows for years
    - Musk fired the OIG general looking his contracts at the pentagon

    Its honestly funny just how delusional you people are. Were not stupid
     
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  10. raining threes

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    Trump has every right to make those decisions about who stays and who goes when it comes to the executive branch and he can replace people in the executive branch as he sees fit.

    He's fine with taking the blame if things go sideways. They shouldn't have raided his home, had him arrested etc... What he's going to do to the federal bureaucracy is burn it to the fround and for that I say it's about time that a bunch of unelected traitors get what's coming to them. If I was Vindman/Comey/Wisemam/Strok/Page etc... I would be very nervous these days. Those chickens are about to come home to roost.

    The thing most libs dont realize is after Butler he feels like he's got a calling from God and doesn't care about the political games that most politicians played.

    I also cant wait for Kash to release the info on Crooks/Fla shooters. That's going to be very interesting.
     
  11. mvpcrossxover

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    You think he's going to read all of this? Lol


    All they see is "lost money = bad", "trump's decision = good".
     
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    Ditto. No sense me showing you the facts. You will simply scoff them off as usual. One day maybe those blinders will finally be lifted from your eyes. Somehow I doubt you will care until it's you that becomes the victim, instead of someone you could care less about.
     
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    I don't think they care how corrupt and devious those two are. They will defend him til their death unless it's them who suffers personally down the road. It's blind loyalty and complete lack of understanding of the true threat Trump is to our country. Unless of course you are a corporate billionaire who is more consumed with greed that ethics and humanity towards others. They have to look at those things with a cold heart, and simply something that fools and the weak care about.
     
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  14. Salvy

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    You so desperate defending Trump, you won't convince me... Not even in a million years...
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    that's because you're just a disingenuous braindead dipshit moron cultist
     
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    yes, seriously, I can. Obama and Biden both pushed executive orders too far, and now the nation is enjoying the natural fruits of their labors.

    "I have a pen and a phone."
     
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    Bro please listen to me, if you and people like you dont realize what is going, its gonna get real bad.
     
  19. HP3

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    If I made a hole in a wall and then you deiced to bull doze it, who do you think caused more damage to it?

    I do not understand the logic, its just whataboutism and honestly I think its a false equivalency.
     
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    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016...t-loves-constitutional-checks-balances-again/

    ‘I Won’
    By KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON
    November 13, 2016 9:00 AM

    The Left will not enjoy living with its own precedents.

    As the philosopher said: “Life comes at you pretty fast.”

    Ten minutes ago, somber progressives were lecturing Donald Trump over his “Make America Great Again” slogan. “America,” they sniffed, is already great. Five minutes later, out came the “F*** AmeriKKKa!” signs and American flags were being burned in the streets.

    Ten minutes ago, Democrats were fretting that Donald Trump and his partisans would refuse to concede defeat, and insisting that Trump must make a dramatic public commitment to personally working toward a peaceful transfer of power. (Well, he did.) There were whispers of political violence, of riots in the streets, arson, smashed windows, violent assaults. Five minutes later, all of that came to pass — perpetrated by progressives in reaction to Trump’s winning the election fair and square.

    Ten minutes ago, Democrats were complaining that Trump’s talk of “rigged” elections undermined faith in democracy and in the legitimacy of the United States government. Five minutes later, Democrats were complaining that the elections were rigged against them by an electoral system that treats the states as states — entities with political interests of their own — rather than as administrative subdivisions of the federal government. With their candidate set to lose the presidency in spite of her being projected to win the most individual votes, Democrats once again turned their rage upon the American constitutional order itself, and out came the signs: “America Was Never Great!”

    Par for the course, I suppose: We all remember how the Mormons rioted after 2012. Things grew so lawless that a car was spotted double-parked on a Sunday morning across from a church in Provo, and several young men were spotted nearby with their ties slightly askew.

    And so it goes. As windows were smashed, fires were set, and bystanders beaten, our progressive friends tut-tutted that the protests were “mostly peaceful.” “Mostly peaceful” is another way of saying, “Peaceful, if you ignore the violence.” But even if we set aside the arson and vandalism and the assaults, there is plenty to lament in the non-violent protests, too: Those “AmeriKKKa” signs and burning flags are a reminder that what the Left really hates is not Donald Trump, his supporters, or Republicans at large (though the Left hates all these, too) but the country itself. They believe the United States to be not only imperfect (an understanding of the imperfection of human beings and their institutions is the foundation of conservatism, after all) but wicked, depraved, filled to the gills with hatred and bigotry, one step away from building concentration camps for homosexuals.

    As windows were smashed, fires were set, and bystanders beaten, our progressive friends tut-tutted that the protests were ‘mostly peaceful.’

    Donald Trump of Manhattan and Palm Beach, a man whose personal style makes Liberace look like Danny Trejo, is, according to this view, going to be the great catalyst for anti-gay pogroms. You could make a case for racist and sexist — a pretty good one — but anti-gay? Not really.

    (One suspects that they just need an easy rhyme for their chants. “Racist, sexist, divorcé! Trump Steaks made a poor filet!”)

    There is much to dislike about Donald Trump, a man who is morally and intellectually unfit for the office to which he has been elected thanks to a cheesed-off Republican primary electorate and the fact that the alternative was . . . ugh. But the Left does not quite seem to get what he is about. His views on trade, and on economic relations with foreign countries in general, are very close to that of Senator Bernie Sanders, and his views on immigration are not all that different, either: It was Senator Sanders, not Trump, who whispered darkly of a shadowy “open borders” plot being hatched by American billionaires to undermine the economic and political power of the working class. Trump is not quite Ron Paul on foreign policy, but he is the closest thing to a Taft-style non-interventionist that Americans have elected since . . . since they didn’t elect Senator Robert A. Taft. He has some truly daft and potentially destructive ideas . . . that he mainly shares with the people out calling for his assassination.

    We conservatives sometimes get bored of pointing out double standards, but recall that when well-behaved Republican protesters gathered to criticize some aspects of the Florida recount in 2000, the media described it as a riot — the “Brooks Brothers riot” — and Democrats such as Representative Jerry Nadler wailed that there was a “whiff of fascism” in the air. If the election had gone the other way and crowds of angry Trump voters were out in the streets beating people (they aren’t, though there are hate-crime hoaxes aplenty) there would be klaxons of alarum sounding 24 hours a day — and zero talk of how the protests were “mostly peaceful.”

    Perversely, the Trump presidency is bearing some worthwhile fruit before it even begins: Once more, dissent is the highest form of patriotism, free speech is an absolute right that must be defended at all costs rather than regulated away in the name of reform, presidential power is to be limited, and the anti-war movement on the left, which went silent right around the time the fellow who won the Nobel Peace Prize started assassinating American citizens in extralegal drone strikes, has once again found its voice.

    Two cheers for all that.

    The pretensions of the imperial presidency are going to haunt Democrats for the immediate future.

    For eight years, Democrats celebrated the aggrandizement of the already inflated presidency left to Barack Obama by George W. Bush. You remember the greatest hits: “If Congress won’t act, I will.” “I have a pen and a phone.” “Elections have consequences.” And, my personal favorite: “I won.”

    Somebody else won this time around.

    The pretensions of the imperial presidency are going to haunt Democrats for the immediate future, but they’ll quickly rediscover their belief in limits on the executive. While they’re rediscovering old virtues, they might take a moment to lament Senator Harry Reid’s weakening of the filibuster, an ancient protection of minority interests in the less democratic house of our national legislature. They might also lament Senator Reid’s attempt to gut the First Amendment in order to permit the federal government — which in January will be under the management of Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and — incredibly enough — President Donald Trump — to regulate political speech, deciding who can speak, about what and when, and on what terms. Perhaps they’ll thank those wicked “conservative” justices on the Supreme Court for saving basic political-speech rights. If they are smart, they will rediscover federalism, too, and the peacemaking potential of a school of thought that says in a diverse nation of 320 million souls, there is no reason that life in rural Idaho must be lived in exactly the same way as it is in Brooklyn or Santa Monica. As Charles C. W. Cooke pointed out, the same people who until ten minutes ago denounced federalism — which they mischaracterize as the doctrine of “states’ rights” — as an instrument for the suppression of African Americans are now embracing secession, which, in the American context at least, has a little bit of its own racial baggage.

    There are other ways of living. The enviable Swiss have such a wonderfully limited and distributed federal system that many of them could not tell you who the president is on any given day. The United States has never really been quite that free of executive pretense, but there was a time in our history when the question of who would decorate a wedding cake for whom was not decided at the national level. Given the current distribution of federal power, perhaps a few Democrats will see the wisdom in returning to such an arrangement.

    The problem is that while conservatives see “Live and Let Live” as a useful if imperfect instrument of civil peace, progressives view “Live and Let Live” as a distinct moral evil. It is less important to them that California is allowed to be California than that Texas should be forbidden to be Texas. Progressives have since the time of Bismarck had a mania for uniformity, because they believe that uniformity is necessary for their larger project: managing society as though it were a single factory and its people were widgets. You cannot package widgets eight to a box if they vary in size or shape.

    If our so-called liberals want to bust a few shop windows in Oakland — well, there isn’t much to do in Oakland, anyway. But those of you who are shaking in your Birkenstocks over the election of Donald Trump should consider the possibility that if the office of the presidency is that important to you, then perhaps the most intelligent course of action is not to pin your hopes on controlling it always and forever (something unlikely to happen under truly democratic processes) but to work toward making it less important — to you, and to everybody else, too.

    You’ll find a great many conservatives ready to join you in that project.





     

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