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Trump Promises to Completely Wreck FEMA—and Fast

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by HP3, Jan 24, 2025.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You believe that dumb ****? Lord have mercy
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    I'm pretty sure he was joking.
     
  3. astros123

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    funny how you forget to mention how MAGA supporters called in death threats to the local fema offices and threatened them with gun violence. This was entirely done bcz right wing media spread disinformation about fema wanting them to leave so the government could seize their houses. A completely fabricated lie that the entire right ate up

    99% of conservatives are sincerely morons who are bad faith actors
     
  4. Astrodome

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    This subsection has the worst sense of humor. Back to the garm for me.
     
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  5. deb4rockets

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    LOL, I knew you weren't serious.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Here is a preparation tip a 5 year old would understand; Don't build in a flood zone.
     
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  7. HP3

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    So does that justify what Trump is doing? Please elaborate on your point.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    How do you know a guy who believes in election fraud is joking?
     
  9. rimrocker

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    OK, now define flood zone. You do realize federal flood maps are only risk evaluations, right? A huge number of people outside of those zones have been flooded in recent years. If you say don't build in a flood plain, are you basing it on those federal risk maps? Or maybe you're looking at scholarly studies that define historical floods? If so, what would you use? 100 year flood? 500 year flood? 1,000 year flood? 10,000 year flood? Tsunamis? What about the stuff that's already built?

    This kind of stuff just torques me. If you simplify a complex problem you will never solve the problem and you stand a really good chance of making it worse.
     
  10. HP3

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    @Space Ghost What say you? I want to hear your response
     
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  11. deb4rockets

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    It just at sounded like a joke, so I took it as one.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    No @droxford you silly MAGArrhea drenched dope.

    It's because he's a deranged old man who believes there is a "valve" or a "large faucet" also that channels water from Washington State (or Canada, sometimes he says Canada) to southern California.

    "They have a valve, think of a sink but multiply it by many thousands of times the size of it, it's massive. And you turn it back toward Los Angeles. Why aren't they doing it? They either have a death wish, they're stupid or there's something else going on that we don't understand," Trump said.

    Trump suggested to a news conference at his Los Angeles golf club in California's coastal city of Rancho Palos Verdes that the dry state's neighbour in the north can turn a "large faucet" to bring more water into California to help the state solve its problems.


    “You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps in Canada and all pouring down and they have essentially a very large faucet," he said.

    "You turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it. It's massive, it's as big as the wall of that building … and you turn that and all of that water goes … aimlessly into the Pacific and if they turned it back, all of that water would come right down here and right into Los Angeles."​

    Seriously how dumb is this person? @droxford ? Is it a valve or a sink or a faucet? Just the dumbest mother****ers in history for voting for this - you should be embarrassed, but I don't have any expectation you would be. Just too - dumb!
     
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    I can tell you that people in Florida do not hurricane proof their home. The state does not encourage it really. They had a hurricane program to upgrade homes - but most of the grants with to seniors living interior of the state and few went to coastal areas. That's mismanagement.

    People don't pay extra for impact windows or roofs - because they figure insurance will be cheaper and that's why the insurance companies left Florida.

    Florida had one direct hit to a city - Andrew - which absolutely knocked that part of Florida to oblivion. The past hurricane left NC a mess. They didn't even evacuate or prepare...and the response was slow. Katrina was a mess as well. Took NOLA a decade to recover., Texas was devastated by Harvey. Houston took years to recover and FEMA was heavily involved post-hurricane

    So the myth that CA mismanaged everything is a myth because they don't know these things until long after the fire. No one here actually knows if Gavin/FEMA have done a good job because it gets politicized.

    Then Trump claims they diverted the water when the water any city gets soothing to them.
     
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    Don't build in hurricane zone.
    Don't build in earthquake zone.
    Don't build in tornado zone.
    Don't build in drought zone.
    Don't build in wildfire zone.
    Don't build in snowstorm zone.

    Mother nature don't give a fug about human if human don't take care of it.
     
  16. dobro1229

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    Like the state of Florida, or a 1/4 of Texas and Louisiana??
     
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    You want to see a presidents approval ratings plummet… go gut FEMA and wait for the next hurricane to hit.

    My guess is he thinks he can just use the military or something and make a big show of it but that’s a misunderstanding of what FEMA actually does.

    Americans are dumb enough though to see a situation where a CAT 5 decimates a major coastal city, there’s no FEMA response to coordinate efforts, but Trump gets a made for tv moment where Green Berets save a kitten from a black hawk, and even though clean up efforts takes years, the cities inner city population migrated to the Midwest… but because morons saw that Green Beret dismount from the Black Hawk Trump voters convince themselves Trump is a badass who saved the world.

    So maybe I’m wrong because we really are living in an idiocracy, but in normal times this would be the dumbest political gamble a president could take.
     
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    Trump disparaged FEMA in NC. Here’s what the agency did during Hurricane Helene.

    Charlotte Observer
    By Joe Marusak and Ames Alexander
    Updated January 24, 2025 5:37 PM

    On a visit Friday to Hurricane Helene-ravaged Western North Carolina, President Donald Trump called for the potential elimination of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    FEMA’s role is to help the country prepare for, respond to and recover from disasters.

    Trump said states should handle disaster response.

    Here’s what FEMA says it did before and after the storm:

    ▪ Deployed at least 1,500 FEMA staff members in the Southeast before the hurricane made landfall, Deanne Criswell, FEMA’s top administrator at the time, told The Charlotte Observer in a Dec. 4 interview.

    “Just because you don’t see somebody in a FEMA shirt walking on the streets the day after a disaster doesn’t mean FEMA is not there,” Criswell said. “We have people on the ground.”

    ▪ Before the storm’s arrival, placed millions of liters of water and many meals in staging areas where they could be quickly distributed in North Carolina, Criswell said.

    “We were working side by side with the state before Helene even came into North Carolina, and we’re still there today,” she said.

    ▪ Had hospital assessment teams out within 24 hours of the storm’s arrival to make sure no patients needed to be evacuated, according to Criswell.

    ▪ Provided hotel stays for almost 13,000 displaced Western North Carolina households. About 2,700 of those households are still checked into hotels, although 740 of them will have to move soon because they are no longer eligible for the program, FEMA says.

    ▪ Provided more than $316 million in cash grants, including more than $6.2 million in rental assistance, to Western North Carolina survivors.

    ▪ Planned one-day agriculture recovery centers to help North Carolina farmers recover from Helene damage.

    Trump’s latest comments come at a time of increased concern over climate change and more frequent severe weather events. Trump has already begun rolling back some regulations aimed at preventing climate shocks.

    Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article299107370.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You think hundreds of years ago when settlers were building they knew what a flood zone even is?
     
  20. FrontRunner

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    While we're talking moronic things to do...


    Trump Revokes Federal Flood Protections Again

    January 22, 2025

    On his first day in office, President Trump revoked Executive Order 14030, the Climate-Related Financial Risk order signed by President Biden May 20, 2021. President Biden’s EO 14030 reinstated EO 13630, which established the Federal Flood Risk Management Standard (FFRMS). President Trump also revoked EO 13690 during his first term.

    The FFRMS was developed because it is no longer safe or adequate to build for the flood risks of the past. More extreme rainfall and rising seas are exacerbating flood risk across the nation. Per the Fifth National Climate Assessment – the federal government’s definitive climate change report– climate change is and will continue to increase the frequency of water-related disasters across the nation.

    As such, homes, schools, and critical infrastructure are increasingly damaged by flooding, which not only costs the American taxpayer, but disrupts the lives and livelihoods of everyone who relies on such infrastructure.

    EO 13690 and the FFRMS directed federal agencies to use more protective siting and design requirements for infrastructure projects that received federal funding, such as emergency response facilities, public highways, and water and wastewater systems. Projects were required to be located outside of low-lying areas vulnerable to flooding whenever practicable. When not practicable, they were required to be more resilient against future flood conditions, including the impacts of sea-level rise.

    Although President Trump's recent executive order has rescinded EO13690, FEMA and HUD both adopted rules last summer for implementing the FFRMS, and those will remain in effect. That ensures that post-disaster recovery and rebuilding will be done to the standards set forth in the FFRMS. Those rules will remain the law until any potential rulemaking is undertaken to undo them. That is a process that could take years and would be subject to potential litigation. While the nation will continue to have a partial implementation of the FFRMS from FEMA and HUD, other federal agencies are likely to be hamstrung on their ability to implement the FFRMS. For example, USDOT’s proposed guidelines to implement the FFRMS are likely to be stopped.

    When federal funds are used to build, rebuild, or subsidize structures, the government has a responsibility to ensure those investments are safe, sustainable, and resilient for the entire design life. Otherwise, the federal government is setting up public infrastructure to be damaged by flooding and wasting taxpayer dollars.

    More at link: https://www.nrdc.org/bio/joel-scata/trump-revokes-federal-flood-protections-again
     
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