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Trump pays hush money for secret children?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I appreciate the Nixon info.

    The only ever garnered from a tax return in this regard is charitable donations.

    You know what Trump's returns will tell you? He is rich. Nothing to see with regard to anyone candidate.

    There has never been anything campaign momentum shifting in a tax return
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps reading your previous posts (especially the one I replied to) would help. You said:
    I then posted a list of things he said and tweeted recently about God that made your previous statement false. Now you say: "How is that any different than any other president?" Sure, other presidents talk about God. Most of the other presidents actually mean what they say. And many even are actually Christians and believe what they said.

    But we are discussing trump, who does try to use God and religion as a speaking point and to curry the favor and support of evangelicals that usually just support republicans anyway. And evangelicals (note nowhere do I suggest trump is an evangelical... I even question whether he is a Christian) overwhelmingly support trump. The discussion is why evangelicals continue to support someone like trump.
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    No clue as to what was meant by:

    But what I would want to see from a tax return would be the actual sources of his income. I don't care how much he contributes to charity. I suspect that most rich people view charitable deductions as an important way to avoid paying taxes and I suspect trump has lots of charitable deductions.

    But what is important is whether the number of allegations about money laundering, illegal financial gains from questionable business activities including emolument violations and of course financial dealings with Russia. His releasing his tax returns (as every president in the past since Nixon... and Nixon released his under pressure) would go a long way to clearing up these allegations. Which you would think would benefit trump... unless, he has something to hide.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    Obama has referenced God in a speech. Every President has. It doesn't make them evangelicals.

    Of course you are gonna show respect to God. Most voters are Christians. Trump doesn't walk around talking about God told him to bomb Syria.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    Why does where his money comes from matter? It's legal and reported to the proper authorities.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    Again, perhaps taking more time and reading what you respond to. Plus giving some thought to what you read. I have already posted that I don't think trump is an evangelical.

    Again, I am responding to your original claim that trump doesn't talk about God. He clearly does, in speeches and in tweets. Don't know why you continue to argue against this.

    Interesting you bring up President Obama. Many republicans and evangelists attacked Obama for the pastor of the church he attended. Many others claimed Obama was not a Christian but rather a Muslim. And many other people, including trump himself, criticized Obama for NOT referring to God, or to Christianity (eg not saying Merry Christmas).

    Also interesting you now move the discussion to trump never saying God told him to bomb Syria (btw, did I ever claim he did?).
    The same pastor that said of Obama:
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    One, we don't know where his money came/comes from. Hence its important for him to release his tax returns.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    For all his warts, I believe GWB really was born again. I'd roll my eyes hearing Obama talk about God because his brand of Christianity is so theologically liberal I have trouble respecting it. But I think he was sincere.

    Trump is obviously in no way a Christian. He's not a deep enough thinker to be an agnostic or an atheist. He just thinks about himself and how can maximize his own benefit. But evangelicals had historically applied a litmus test -- gotta support W because he's a good Christian man while John Kerry or Al Gore only pay lip service to their Christian faith. Or Obama says he's a Christian but really he's a closet Muslim homosexual communist. So Trump needed a fig leaf, some sort of evidence that an evangelical could cite to say that Trump passes the litmus test. And what is galling about it is that he offered the barest evidence, the smallest leaf, and the evangelicals accepted it anyway. If he was a "baby Christian" he got aborted at 6 weeks. It's not just that he's an awful sinner, there are plenty of those to find in church. The faith doesn't seem to manifest itself in any part of his life, even as an aspiration. Never mind walking the walk, he can't even talk the talk. I'm not Christian (though I can talk the talk), but as a husband to a born again Christian and as a friend to Christians, I'm offended when he offers his paltry excuse of a confession of faith. And when I see supposed Christians fall for it, or pretend to fall for it, I don't think much of them. They are either total idiots and suckers, or they're complete hypocrites bent on evil. There's no good scenario there.
     
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    Is there any higher authority than the American voter?
     
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  12. pgabriel

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    The reference about Syria is comparing an evangelical like gwb to Trump.

    When I said Trump doesn't talk about God I mean as being an evangelical.

    Again every President references God in speeches.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    Why does it matter where it comes from?

    For the second time
     
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    Is it legal? Is it reported? How do you know?

    Supposedly he is stupid rich, but what little insight we've seen into his tax returns it would point to somebody that doesn't make nearly that kind of money. Now wonder why he is always under audit (according to himself).
     
  15. pgabriel

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    And every Presidential candidate caters to Christianity for votes.

    That's an issue bigger than Trump as you seem to think also
     
  16. juicystream

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    Because it shows the potential for tit for tat or blackmail.
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    Learn to read... I have already answered this way back in post #124:
     
  18. pgabriel

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    Do people put illegal in tax returns.

    Should I have to ask a stupid question like that,?

    Again the stupidity of this issue. He gave the IRS fake returns but he is gonna release illegal income in the returns for the newspaper.

    Good Lord
     
  19. pgabriel

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    You learn to read *******

    I asked specifically before why does the source of income matter

    Whatever it is it's legal
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    If there is nothing in tax returns that would either create legal or political problems for trump then why isn't trump releasing them?
     

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