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Trump pays hush money for secret children?

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  1. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    75% according to latest polls.

    https://www.vox.com/identities/2018...ical-support-for-trump-is-at-an-all-time-high

    White evangelical support of Donald Trump is at an all-time high, according to a new study. The poll, conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute in March, found that a full 75 percent of white evangelicals surveyed had a positive opinion of Donald Trump, compared to just 22 percent holding an unfavorable view. Among white evangelical men, that number is even higher — 81 percent — while 71 percent of white evangelical women also view Trump favorably. The poll has been tracking Trump’s ratings since he first became a Republican primary candidate in March 2015.

    Given that 81 percent of white evangelical voters voted for Trump, these latest findings suggest that the well-document turmoil of Trump’s presidency has done little to dissuade his core supporters. Nor are his supporters necessarily banking on the only Republican option out there: According to the poll, 69 percent of white evangelicals would prefer Trump, rather than another Republican candidate, as the 2020 presidential nominee,

    These numbers are particularly striking in the light of a number of debates being carried out among academics and pastoral leaders within the evangelical community. Earlier this month, for example, a group of progressive evangelicals met in Lynchburg, Virginia, to protest the solidly pro-Trump rhetoric f Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, while, just this week, a group of 50 evangelical leaders met at Wheaton College to discuss the future of evangelicalism in the light of Donald Trump’s presidency.

    “[T]he reason we are getting together is the 2016 election and the role that white evangelicals played in electing Trump,” evangelical author Katelyn Beaty told the Washington Post, adding that the meeting provided an opportunity to ask “how have we gone wrong and how can we repair what’s clearly broken.”

    But that sense of ambivalence doesn’t seem to have reached rank-and-file white evangelical voters. During the 2016 primaries, for example, Trump’s favorability rating among white evangelicals fluctuated at around 30 percent (reaching an all-time low of 24 percent in March 2014). It steadily increased after Trump won the nomination. Since the inauguration — when Trump’s approval was at a then-all-time high of 74 percent — his ratings have dipped somewhat (to a low of 68 percent) but consistently rebounded.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Do they say they vote for him because of morality or because they always vote Republican?
     
  3. justtxyank

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    Um...lots of them defend him.

    As for not talking about morality...lol?

    Mike Pence talks about how Trump always want to pray with him. Many evangelical leaders have talked about how nice it is to finally have someone in the White House who loves God again (burrrrnobama) the big evangelical pastor in Dallas compared him to King David, a righteous leader with one moral failing, etc.
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    No, read Graham's quotes and then be honest... Graham said Clinton's affairs concerns him and the rest of the world. And said if Clinton would lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, what would prevent him from lying to the American public.

    Now read what he said about Trump's affairs... that they were something only his wife and family should deal with and they were nobody else's business. And Graham avoids questioning trump's honesty and doesn't say "how can the American public believe anything trump says.

    Two completely different messages about and treatment of Clinton and trump. The only difference? One was a Democrat, and one was a republican.

    And sorry, the trump supporter excuse that "no one considers trump a moral leader" (and please... again, be honest, trump's only foray into issues of "morality" are not limited to transgenders in the military). Not holding trump or any president to at the least a low bar of morality and integrity is ridiculous. Graham's question about Clinton and the ability to believe what he says is actually quite appropriate... the American people should be able to not worry about what their president is saying is truthful. And not talking about a political spin, or even something like Bush Seniors "read my lips" or Bush Juniors "Mission Accomplished"... but at the very core of what they are saying is truthful. trump fails that test at any level imaginable.
     
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  5. juicystream

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    I've heard multiple religious leaders refer to Trump as being sent by God. The "Christians" sold their souls to devil. There were so many other Republican candidates. Really the thing that set Trump apart were that he was insulting and disgusting.
     
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  6. NewRoxFan

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    Heck... some religious leaders suggest that trump was "chosen by God" (eg. Paula White says trump was "raised up by God"; Jim Bakker said to "obey trump because he was chosen by God"; Stephen Baldwin said trump was "God's chosen instrument").
     
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  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    21st Century Jesus say:
    • Lying okay now
    • Adultery totally cool -- paying big money for secret sex included.
    • Corruption is holy
    • Blessed be the wealth horders
    • Liberals are satanic
    • Don't love your neighbor. Get a gun b/c they might be a liberal and out to get you.
    Literally leading me to question whether I can still consider myself an American Christian. But I still resonate with the actual teachings of the historical Jesus.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Mike Pence is your proof? I'm shocked he would say anything positive about Trump. Really I'm talking about why people vote for him as far voters who claim to be evangelicals. But you made your point. Don't wanna argue about evangelical leaders

    The quote I'm referring to is in the Rocket River post.
     
  10. justtxyank

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    They don't teach you how to read entire posts in Russia?
     
  11. Amiga

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    Asked about what evangelicals defend trump. Provided a prime example in pence. Dismiss it as a crazy example.
     
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    I did give more than just Pence, but specifically on Pence...

    It isn't that Pence defends Trump, of course he would, it's that he plays up his morality and Christianity. While SOME do the "we didn't elect him to be Pope" or some other stupid false choice dilemma (as if you are either the Pope or Trump on the scale of righteous vs scumbag) many go to the "chosen of God" "called by God" "restoring values" "returning faith to the white house" etc. etc. etc.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    It would actually be harder to name a well-known "evangelical" public figure who is not all-in for Trump.

    Like literally every single one of these assholes who I can name off the top of my head is hardcore pro-Trump. Graham, Falwell, those hideous Family Research Council people. Trump and the whole prosperity gospel con are of a piece as well.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    Evangelicals strongly preferred Trump to other candidates in the primary. Including Kasich, a real and devout Christian and by all appearances a decent, upstanding guy. Here's an article about how Kasich's faith-motivated politics ironically hurt him with evangelicals: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/john-kasich-2016-religion-213735
     
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    You only have to go to one of trump's few remaining lawyers... Jay Sekulow, whose main call of fame is heading up a legal firm that focuses on religious liberty issues and has a daily talk show and weekly TV show to talk about religious freedom topics
     
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    it’s a simple question,

    What is he hiding and why did he lie that he would reveal them?

    Sorry, he doesn’t get a pass because he was a rich private citizen with tax issues beyond the comprehension of a single tax filer.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    Evangelical is just a code word now. They like guns, don't like colored people or gay people or "weird" people that want to be a boy or a girl when they have the other parts. It's more important to evangelicals that you are tough on liberals and troll them so the evangelicals can be baptized in their salty tears than it is to care about God or any of his teachings.
     
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  18. JuanValdez

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    Agree that it is a code word. Or rather maybe that it is a political and demographic term, and I was using it that way. I know theological evangelicals, in the sense that they are Christians who believe it is their mission to spread the word of Christ. The ones I know don't consider toting guns or bashing gays or fearing black people to be part of that mission. There are other evangelicals, who probably also say they want to tell the good news of Jesus, who are all in on the culture war. It seems that latter cohort is what dominates the population that identifies itself as evangelical when they answer survey questions. And, of course, the more they do the less likely the former cohort want to identify themselves as evangelical. But the result is that you get this demographic in political surveys that seems to imply they represent the religion, and yet the thread that binds them together is cultural and not theological.
     
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    It doesn't matter, the IRS makes sure he pays his taxes. What do you think you're gonna find that the IRS didn't

    On evangelicals, they're hypocrites. If I'm wrong about their support of Trump, whatever I stand corrected
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Holy ****, guy, walk away for a while. Please.

    Stop arguing. Stop pretending. Just walk away.
     

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