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Trump pardons the J6 Terrorists

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 20, 2025.

  1. calurker

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    Doesn't sound like a problem a good AR can't solve.

    And if not, get two.
     
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  3. Andre0087

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    Who doesn't love a BOGO deal?
     
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    LOL at making fun of Trump for NOT doing something that Biden actually DID. How amazing is the disconnected mind of the American liberal!

    Liberals don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing ANY pardons after what Biden did. His actions were indefensible. Pardoning his own family's corruption and his own weaponization of government. Means he's guilty as hell.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    In DC The minimum sentence is up to 10 years in jail and a fine of up to $25,000
     
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    Yeah, he's a sack of ****.
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    Trump's Blanket Clemency for Capitol Rioters Excuses Political Violence
    The president drew no distinction between people who merely entered the building and people who vandalized it or assaulted police officers.

    https://reason.com/2025/01/21/trump...r-capitol-rioters-excuses-political-violence/

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    The Justice Department was determined to portray the riot as an "insurrection," even though it mainly involved spontaneous reactions by Trump supporters who got carried away by their outrage at a supposedly stolen election. The government's misleading narrative, which implied a level of intent and organization belied by the chaotic reality of the day's events, drove prosecutors to send a message in defense of democracy by doggedly tracking down and punishing Trump supporters who had entered the Capitol.

    Most of those defendants were ultimately charged with misdemeanors such as demonstrating inside the Capitol, "disorderly or disruptive conduct," and entering or remaining in a restricted building without authorization. The sentences in such cases ranged from probation to short jail terms. But because defendants who insisted on their right to a trial could have been hit with more serious charges carrying much more severe penalties, such as obstructing an official proceeding, they were under a lot of pressure to plead guilty, as about 1,000 had done as of last November. And in light of the revelation that FBI informants who entered the Capitol faced no punishment at all, those defendants had reason to complain about selective prosecution.

    Supporters of the Capitol riot defendants, in short, had some legitimate concerns. Dream.org, a progressive group that promotes criminal justice reform, notes that "the issues raised by the January 6th defendants, including decrepit jail conditions and overly aggressive prosecutions, are rampant in the American criminal justice system."

    Trump's clemency, however, extends beyond people who were prosecuted merely for entering the Capitol without permission. As of November 6, the Justice Department reported, about 600 people had been charged with "assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement agents or officers or obstructing those officers" during the riot. They included 169 defendants "charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer."

    Trump was reluctant to intervene after the riot started—a fact that figured prominently in his second impeachment and in the scathing report published by the House select committee that investigated the incident. But he eventually urged his followers to "stay peaceful" and "please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement," who he said "are truly on the side of our Country." He reiterated that message 35 minutes later: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order—respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

    Trump's avowed support for law enforcement and opposition to violence are hard to discern in his blanket clemency, which encompasses defendants who flouted both principles. They include, for example, Andrew Taake, who pleaded guilty to attacking police officers with bear spray and a "whip-like weapon"; Curtis Tate, who was accused of hitting police officers with a metal baton; and David Dempsey, who was convicted of engaging in "a sustained attack against multiple officers at the Capitol, using his hands, his feet, a flagpole, crutches, pepper spray and broken pieces of furniture."
    more at the link
     
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    If you accept the fact that Trump gives zero ****s about these people, what is the real reason they’ve been pardoned?
     
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    Lol.. yes, the liberal leftist are still searching for their community brain cell they can share. Good one!

    hint- it is the same for extremist on each side.
     
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    You are just a generic milquetoast centrist:D

    You have all the brain cells.

    One phenomenon in American politics I notice is that leftist type people have no issue openly stating they are leftist and never try to portray themselves as "centrists" while wages of white supremacists try to "hide their power level" and try to claim they are not right wing ideologues.
     
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    Your thoughts on those who beat and assaulted the cops getting pardoned?
     
  17. Os Trigonum

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    totally against it. I posted the graph from the Washington Post that showed the breakdown: some 850-ish convicted of trespassing; another three hundred for more serious but non-violent crimes; and then some 400 arrested/convicted for assaulting a police officer.

    If, and only IF as the philosophers say, Trump was justified in trying to engage in Pardon One-Upsmanship with Biden, then he was probably on safe ground pardoning those 850 or so convicted of trespassing.

    Then, and again only IF he is justified in these pardons (which is a completely separate philosophical and moral question), he should have taken some more time and given a more detailed breakdown of the 300 in the middle, and pardoned any that made sense or for whom the sentencing seemed out of line with the crimes committed.

    Then finally, for those arrested and/or convicted of assaulting police or anyone else: a very detailed review of each and every case, and a detailed rationale for any pardons given. Perhaps some of the "assaults" were overblown (as I've seen some reports suggest). Not all resulted in victims being bashed in the heads with flag poles or baseball bats. But those assaults on police/others deserved the highest scrutiny.

    Finally, the commutations: those at least are acknowledged to be different in kind from the other crimes committed, hence the commutation status versus pardon status. But those don't make much sense either, at least not on a casual inspection (I admit I have not studied the topic or the list of Jan 6 rioters/crimes carefully).

    here's the graph I posted

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    Bottom line for me: violent crime is violent crime. There should be punishment.

    As an aside, however, I will also add that some of the complaints about the Jan 6 rioters' prosecutions (and sentences) is that they did not seem equal to the prosecutions of either the George Floyd protesters' acts, or of the prosecution of the criminal acts committed by protesters at the time of Trump's first inauguration in 2017. In both cases rioting protesters assaulted, beat, and hurt police officers and others. I've posted briefly on the latter case elsewhere here today.
     
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    The cops should rally against Trump it is clear that he is not a law and order President....as the DOJ is a separate branch they should continue to prosecute The Donald.

    DD
     
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    Not J6, but Trump pardoned Ross Ulbricht, the Pirate Bay guy, too, who contracted to have people murdered.

    Anything to stay in the headlines.
     
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