Funny how some people say that I get my statements "proven" wrong despite that not actually happening. I know you aren't very good at this English thing, but being "proven wrong" isn't just when someone says that they disagree. Try to keep up.
uhh you said that young people start left and trend right, then jaygoogle flat out said you were wrong and provided proof of your incorrectness. It's not that young people "become" conservative, it's society that "becomes" more progressive. Their views stay the same, but looks more conservative in comparison to society as time passes. You're wrong, accept it.
What he posted wasn't "proof", it showed how people of different generations voted in recent elections, that doesn't show where they started and where they ended up. People do become more conservative as they age, and it's also true that some generations start out more conservative than others. An extremely liberal group when they are young might become moderates as they age and as they shed the more naive liberal views. Anyway, it's yet another example of people thinking that things were "proven" without sufficient proof being provided. The fact that I moved on and didn't continue to argue the point certainly doesn't mean i was "proven" wrong. It means that I wasn't going to waste time on it anymore.
Nah, you're just wrong. There is no correlation that shows any consistency that the older you get the more conservative you get and you'd have a hard time proving that (So please...prove it other than "Because I said so." ) because every study that's been done has pretty much said "Eh, it really depends on the time they lived in." unfortunately for some here, the time Millennials live in (You know, those 13 year olds...wow) the times they live in has pushed them to the left. More proof. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...uences-your-politics.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1 It seems like if you were born under an excellent president that was conservative or liberal, that you may trust and respect that party more or vice versa. If Trump does a terrible job it'll probably just stick in the mind of that young 20 year old going to college for astrophysics (Who according to Bobby has the mental maturity of a 13 year old girl) that he's not going to vote Republican because the last time he did we got Trump...or hell maybe Trump does amazing things and it is flipped.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ow-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/ Also here is where the graph comes from...conclusion... So yeah, just flat out wrong. All we know is that the times shape how that generation views the world and the times ALSO change what policies a party holds. After all as Republicans like to point out "Democrats used to be for Slavery!" so it literally is impossible to say one way or another. It seems that the smart thing to say is "Ah, if you were born during WW2 you may see the world differently than someone born during the civil rights era." And also, this doesn't explain minorities. Do black people also become more conservative? No, that's not what happens. Unless you think black people are some different type of human with their own criteria well then...one must wonder why there aren't more black conservatives... Could it be that they too experience the world differently and see it through a different lens? Yes. That's what happens
No, you fail to understand the actual phenomenon that you are talking about, therefore completely misinterpreting it. People are set in their ways for the most part. You were born liberal with a certain set of viewpoints, you vote Democrat. As you age, society becomes more liberal every year, and the Democratic party reflects society's changes and moves further and further to the left. All of a sudden, by the time you're 50, the views that you were born with are no longer compatible with the Democratic party, so then you have to vote Republican. That's why there are some people who start off democrat and then vote republican when they age. You act like political parties are frozen in time, they are not. They adapt with the times.
So in your mind, things are constantly getting more and more liberal then right? That's what your suggestion implies and that's not in touch with reality. There is a pendulum that swings back and forth between conservative and liberal....but people DO get more conservative as they age because they usually shed the more naive of liberal viewpoints when they get enough experience. If you don't understand that, well, perhaps you aren't old enough or it doesn't apply to you. There certainly are people who cling to naive liberal ideas their entire lives, perhaps that's you. I can't say for sure.
Uhh thats not the way it works. You are stating that political parties are not frozen in time but thats exactly what you're describing. Politics discussed 50 years ago was completely different that what is discussed today and it will be very different in 50 years from now. The labels will change and the party platform will change.
Yes, clearly. Over time things are more liberal, especially socially. All you have to do is look at what life was like in the 1960s compared to now. Now from an economic standpoint I'm not sure that is the case but socially I am completely right. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Up...n-ever-before.-What-s-behind-the-sudden-shift That is what I'm saying though, parties change but people;s views don't. It's people who move from one party to another because their views stubbornly don't change in the face of a changing political landscape.
The bottom line is...people swap parties for a VARIETY of reason. To say it is just because they are shedding naive liberal views is pretty egotistical and insulting. We've seen that Gen X (proving the 13 year old theory wrong) and Millennials have leaned Democrat. Why that is, probably a variety of reasons. Here is a chart for Gen Xers As anyone can see here, as they aged they actually began to favor the Democratic party more. You can see their party affiliation going back and fourth until a point in 2002, and then upwards blue from there. So as the generation aged they favored the blue party more not less.
This is exactly right. For example, I have a cousin that's a lesbian. She is ALWAYS going to be for LGBT rights. Always. So if the GOP continues down a path that Mike Pence would love to take it and treat them as lower people then guess what? She's never going to vote for that party. On the other hand if they finally just drop the issue of gay marriage and fight for LGBT people then maybe she would consider it. Of course some people's ideas do change over time and some people will just always be loyal to a party. All this better explains it than suggesting that with age comes some kind of intelligence that you didn't have before and so now that you're smarter you are more likely to vote Republican.
SMH well I guess we'll just wait and see how it plays out. If for whatever reason millennials don't grow up and grow out of naive liberalism then you'll have your wish of a US entirely run by Democrats all the time everywhere. Now when that doesn't happen, be sure to be shocked.
you are missing the point. It's not that young liberals are naive (which is you saying that every liberal is naive, I never want to hear you talk about people labeling Trump supporters again.) it's just simply that the Republican party adopts ideas that they hold true to and that thw world changes. Parties are not stagnant things and really neither are people but most have issues that are important to them. If you think that someone that holds the view that LGBT people should have all the same rights is going to just up and change after hitting a certain age then you are the naive one. People don't hit a certain age and go "Ah ha!" they simply follow what party is closer to what they want to see of the country.
Getting old very bad. Getting old= bad. Three bad things happen when get old. First, memory goes bye-bye. Second, Thank you.
My major problem is that you seem to think that equal rights for LGBTQMASMOWIDYODVUIU people is a liberal idea. It's not. That's actually a conservative idea. The disconnect here is that on some issues Republicans and Democrats go against their normal "conservative" or 'liberal" moniker. When it comes to equal LGBTQMASMOWIDYODVUIU rights, that's absolutely a conservative idea, the difference of course is when some go further than that and want to invent NEW rights for those people which others wouldn't have. That's when you start getting liberal. As a general rule, if something takes power away from the people and gives it to the government, it's liberal. If something takes power away from the government and gives it to the people, it's conservative. In short, big government vs small government. When I say that liberal ideas are naive, it's because believing in a benevolent government that will look out for your best interests is absolutely naive. The larger the government, the more likely it starts to oppress it's people.
What if power taken from government and given to corporations? Good. Corporations= People. Citizens, United!
You say that as you give it a mocking title. Wheter it is 'conservative' or not really doesn't matter, the GOP has not endorsed it as much as the opposite party does. As evidenced by how members of the LGBT community feels about the issue, do I need to pull out how many in that community are democrats? And any ways I just used that issue as an example to my bigger point. Eh, believing that a complete free market or if you give to the rich the wealth will trickle down is also pretty naive if you ask me. No regulations on corporations and they'll do what's right....also pretty naive. Also, the idea that you get older and more conservative doesn't explain how minorities tend to be more liberal. It blows up that theory entirely (unless you think Minorities are just more naive, if so then that's another issue...)
