I guess...unless you count all the muslims who will be inconvienced at having to travel 5+ blocks longer than they have to just because the entire nation thinks Islam is evil. Look, nobody is blaming all Christianity for excommunicating Galileo, priests molesting little boys and torturing people to death in crazy witchhunts. There's no reason to do the same to muslims.
Well then instead of caving in its better to re-educate the people, right? Muslims also died in the 9-11 bombing. Are you going to say to the Muslim family whose son/daughter/wife died that they caused 9-11 to happen because they're muslim? There's no reason to penalize the entire religion for somethign fundamentalists did.
The Bible (esp. the OT) has a lot of sayings that are similar to this. Stuff like women who cheat on their husbands have to be stoned to death. People just don't do it nowadays because they realize its not to be taken literally. But there will always be people who are lunatics and take everything literally. The dude who killed the abortion doctor. Didn't he do it out of faith? Are we supposed to say nobody is allowed to build a church 5+ around that abortion doctor's home because it would be an insult to the doctor's family?
small price to pay ... i could probably list almost 3000 people that wouldnt have minded if they had to commute an extra 5 blocks on 9-11-01
is it really a penalty to have to walk an extra 5 blocks so as not to offend anyone? its 5 blocks...thats a shorter distance than if u had to walk from the galleria to sports authority
Maybe if this board had any radical Muslim apologists you'd get an answer for your question. I have yet to see one.
spare us the melodrama please. It just isn't right to use the deaths of those people on 9/11 as a tool to further your own misunderstanding, and misguided bitterness towards Islam. That's far more offensive to the memory of those that died on 9/11 than a community center with aims of building understanding and connection.
Let me enlighten you with some teachings of the Bible....this is what they will be teaching in church... Leviticus 20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Deuteronomy 20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
As I have said, it is nothing against Islam. I am fully aware that Islam does not promote violence, there are certain Surahs that are manipulated by imo is probably the older generation of Arabs that are still upset with the West (initially Britain, but now the US), they are taking all of the problems of the Middle East and blaming it on the US and spreading hate using the one thing that has ever come close to uniting the Arabs, the Qur'an and their hatred for the West. I know all of this yet I still think it would have been more appropriate if they would have put it further away from the get go, now that they made the plans and it has turned into such an issue it would probably be worse to move it now and give anyone any reason to think America is anti-Islamic, especially considering that homegrown terrorism is an increasing threat. I suppose using the victims of 9/11 to support the claim is not the strongest defense, but I do believe that the victims of 9/11 should have been considered when planning the site, the Council should have been more sensitive to the bitterness that is still in some Americans mouths from 9/11 (however irrational it may be to associate a Religion with a few Radicals, although I personally don't make this association). now i hope all of the above conveys my thoughts correctly, i am currently celebrating my birthday and i'm really stoned : / why am i on the computer responded to this post? i am waiting to play bp. why am i having a dialogue with myself? i dunno. have a goodnight all
no it wasn't.... Learn your history... The middle east starting hating the US after the US started helping and funding the Israeli army.
who the hell is a radical muslim apologist here? I think we just have the iq and the common sense to separate your average muslim with a radical one.
and what does that have to do with those Muslim families? You associate the victims of 9/11 with your typical American Muslim family as the culprits.
see you would help make the case that general Islam is associated with radical Islam if a mosque cannot be built near ground zero.
I think thats the problem, I don't care about the location the Imam actually said had he thought of an uproar eh would've changed it, and plus the fact that it came out months ago in the front page, and there was no issue or media uproar and come election time now itsalways in the news, its suspect. But hte problem I have with moving it, I feel and I think most muslims feel that we and our mosques have no connection to those 9/11 terrorist, as americans they are our enemies, and even more so as muslims they are our enemies, they contradict so many teachings in our books for their political and social agenda, they have nothing to do with islam and while they preach of infidels, if they read the book, they are the only true infidels and murders. So when we are told to be sensitive of our prayer hall because of these strangers actions which I don't evne feel I share the same faith with( d you feel you have the same beliefs and should be accountable for the KKK or Pastor Terry Jones) I just don't think we should group those extremist or even dignify them by saying they represent and their actions are tied to all the other muslims and in this mosque's case american muslims
my friend is rippin on me for responding, but i just lost in bp and i needed some distraction. the 19 hijackers shouldn't be associated with the true faith of islam, however the fact is they used the name of allah, the faith of islam to justify their actions and there are still people in america that are recovering from that, i mean i watch the videos and i feel awful, i remember that day, only an 8th grader just thinking wow how can someone do this? i know the difference, im smart enough to know the difference from extremest and the main stream, and most people know the difference, but it still doesnt feel right, apparently i can't explain why i feel that way, but i do. again I KNOW that they don't represent the entire faith, i mean im a damn middle eastern studies and government major i study arabic and the quran i know the difference
If those folks know the difference between extremists and the rest of the religion, then they shouldn't protest even if they don't feel 100% comfortable. This would be a really screwed up world if we made every decision based on just our feelings. If they're protesting because they don't know the difference, then who cares about what they have to say? They're bigots.
i don't agree with the protests, what's done is done, im only saying they should have thought of this before. its obviously too late now
when a lunatic Christian crashes a plane into a building and kills 3000 Americans because he lives by these verses, I'll say "fair point".....but thats clearly not the case. Theres a huge difference between frowning upon and saying that they will go to hell one day because of the way others live their life and wanting to kill them for the way they live their life
