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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by edwardc, Dec 4, 2024.

  1. deb4rockets

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    Good for you. Consider yourself lucky. Times have changed. Millions can't even afford the cheapest healthcare plans now, and many of them work themselves to the bones too.

    No. In fact, there are numerous cuts on the way which will hurt veterans even more. You can look it all up.

    That's a subject that would take me far too long to answer. I'm no expert, but I do know times are different now. I'll give you a few examples I think may be factors.

    WW2 survivors also suffered PTSD, and life crippling injuries. Many never could talk about the war their entire lives, because it was too traumatizing. But, the biggest difference is that there was a strong sense of national gratitude and support for returning veterans of WW2. There were abundant job opportunities for them. That was at a time when we were entering a period of prosperity and expansion in our country. There was greater societal acceptance and assistance for WW2 veterans as they transitioned back into civilian life. There was also less income inequality, reducing the likelihood of extreme poverty and homelessness.

    The veterans of WW2 were welcomed home as heroes. The veterans of the Korean War received a warm homecoming. The veterans of the Vietnam War returned to a cold shoulder and a country on the verge of tearing itself apart.

    Vietnam veterans faced far greater challenges upon returning home. Those who served were often treated as traitors instead of heroes, and found it difficult to adjust to life back home. They didn't receive the types of celebratory homecomings all the WW2 Veterans got. They received hostility, lack of support, and psychological trauma. They were often stigmatized by society, and lacked the benefits provided to previous veterans, which made reintegration into civilian life more difficult. Less-than-honorable discharges were more common after WW2, which restricted access to VA benefits and jobs.

    Many soldiers in Vietnam took drugs to numb themselves of the fear and horrors. They shifted their drug use from pot to heroin, which was odorless and harder to detect. Heroin started flowing more freely into Vietnam from Cambodia in 1970, a consequence of that nation’s civil war. According to a Pentagon study, by 1973 up to 20 percent of soldiers were habitual heroin users. Think about that. Many returned home, couldn't get jobs, or couldn't handle the rejection by society and were more prone to drug addiction. 47% of homeless Veterans served in the Vietnam War.

    Income inequality keeps rising, and homelessness isn't going away. I don't have the answers, but as a veteran myself, I share a deep concern and empathy for those who left service battered, bruised, and broken, and need more help to survive. I feel blessed and lucky to not walk in their shoes, but will will always stand up for them. I will never understand our government not taking enough care of those who need it most.

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    Continued...

    Black WW2 Veterans didn't get the same treatment as the white soldiers, during, or after the war.

    Many programs were inaccessible to Black veterans due to discriminatory practices by local administrators and institutions, particularly in the South. Many Black veterans were denied access to higher education, home loans, and job training programs that were readily available to white veterans. Redlining practices and discriminatory mortgage lending further limited Black veterans' ability to purchase homes and build wealth.

    Black soldiers experienced segregation in the military, with separate barracks, recreational facilities, and even different standards of equipment and food. They faced racial slurs, threats, and violence on military bases, especially in the South. Some Black veterans even reported feeling safer fighting overseas than facing the racism they encountered back home.

    Upon returning home, Black veterans often faced the same Jim Crow laws and social inequalities they had before the war. They struggled to find well-paying jobs, faced discrimination in public spaces, and were denied equal access to services and opportunities.

    I read a great book called Devotion, the true story about the Naby's first black aviator. I was horrified at the way he was treated in uniform while on leave. Here he was fighting for his country, and was made to sit in the back of a bus in an Officer's uniform while on leave. He was spit at by racist Americans while in uniform. It was disgusting.

    What scares me most is the thought of people like Trump taking us back to those times, by stripping civil rights left and right, and using DEI as an excuse or justification to fire high ranking military officials. Life back in the days Trump calls great weren't the same for everyone.
     
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    Agree with most of this.

    I've got family members that served in Vietnam and refuses to ever talk about what he saw. Some of his friends who served talk about some things from time to time (Sharing war stories) but really dont talk about things that happened. BTW, they're all productive citizens.

    As to your 2nd post, it's true some of this happened back in WWII/Korean wars. In Vietnam not so much when it comes to race. It's true that drug use was rampant. I dont know much about todays men who are no longer in the service except for one of my best friends sons who was messed up before he entered the service and is probably more messed up today after he got out of the service. As far as the last part of your post goes I just want the best fighting machine humanly possible. I know you dont like Hegseth (You dont like anything Trump does or has done) but I feel much better with a war fighter in charge like Hegseth than a bureaucrat like Austin in charge.

    BTW, Great post and I too hope everything gets better for all vets., Also I spray Section 8 housing as part of my living and yes, there are millions of moochers out there. If you want me to talk to you about some of this I will. It's really sad.
     
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    TOO MUCH WINNING.

    Bad day for the libs, what Trump's doing is working.
     
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    Are you serious? How on earth did you come up with calling Hegseth the war fighter, and Austin the bureaucrat when Austin had 10 times the war fighter experience in his service to our country. It isn't even close, comparing their battlefield experience. You need to do some serious research there.

    Trump is a draft dodging coward and pathological liar. So, he's the last person I trust to lead our armed forces. I actually don't trust Hegseth either. He's also a liar, but worse is the fact that he serves Trump before country, and will echo Trump's lies like a loyal little brown shirt. Nope, that's not the way the military should work. Filling our soldiers' heads filled with propaganda and lies isn't making our military stronger.
     
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    It's not just libs who will suffer, so just stop that nonsense.

    Some of the poorest communities in America are in red states, and there are plenty of Trump voters receiving Medicaid, disability, and SNAP benefits, young and old. There are plenty of Trump voters who can't afford healthcare, and plenty of Trump voters who are veterans. There are plenty of Trump voters with mental illness, hooked on drugs, out of work, and and homeless too.

    The sad part is, their voting for Trump to stick it to the libs is going to come back and haunt them.
     
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    Getting 20 million illegals out of the country instead of giving illegals medicaid might help out with this issue.

    Maybe some of these Trump voters you're talking about care more about immigration and how it will affect their Kids/grandkids than thinking of instant gratification. BTW, people an still get healthcare like they used to before Obamacare if they're ill. Go to the emergency room. They cant be denied care.
     
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    Quit wasting your energy with trolls. Go to the spa or do something else. These people are a waste of time. You cant reason with cultists
     
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    I wonder how many of those Trump voters realize how the lives for their kids and grandkids could be worse because of some of Trump's policies that could take decades to reverse, especially in Texas and Louisiana. Less regulations, more pollutants, more plastics and chemicals spewed into the Gulf and rivers, and less workers protections. Louisiana already has cancer alley and Texas is already one of the top water polluters in the country.

    I wonder how many of those Trump voters think they are helping make lives better for their kids and grandkids by cutting medical and science research, ignoring science, pretending global warming isn't happening, and pushing fossil fuels and coal mining while gutting FEMA and NOAA, hiding and eliminating studies from government websites, and pretending there isn't a problem.

    I wonder how many of those Trump voters are helping their black or brown kids' futures by voting for a party who is stripping away their civil rights, slowly taking them back to the days when discrimination was legal, and racist cops got away with police brutality.

    There are millions without healthcare now, and emergency room visits aren't the same as being able to afford regular checkups, prenatal care, lifesaving drugs and treatment, or long term care. We are one of the few countries in the world without affordable healthcare for all. That's nothing to be proud about. We are also one of the only modern world countries with no government mandated paternity leave or vacation time. It's business and profits first, billionaires and CEO's deciding to put themselves first, and the rest of the people last.

    How about that stock market? You think the poorest and sickest Americans will be lifted out of despair, when the stock market goes up? I don't.
     
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    I know it is.
     
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    Good idea. I'm out of here for a couple weeks. I get disgusted by the stuff I hear that's either completely selfish mentality, heartless, or simply false. Too many who think like Trump, or believe his BS.
     
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    You can't reason with these people. Rural hospitals are sounding the alarm that theyre about to be destroyed and his cultists still think its liberals or illegals which will be hurt lol



    These people are a waste of your breathe.
     
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    All I will tell you is I'm not an environmentalist. Why? I've been told the world was going burn up and when it was obvious that was a lie, then the world was going to freeze to death and end starting in the 70's until tthe 2000's. So when the socialists like yourself couldn't figure out a way to make the weather fit your agenda y'all change the narrative to climate change which covers all weather outcomes. Weather socialists are what I call y'all and over the last 50 years y'all have been proven to be liars at best and promoting a globalist agenda at worst. Tell you what, when China starts fixing carbon emissions issues we should star fixing ours and I dont even believe that is enough for us to change our economy from a fossils based economy.

    Civil Rights being taken away? Please explain?

    Did you see how Fema has been run or what the NIH/FDA did during Covid? People needed to be fired (Which they were or re-signed. Including Fauci's crooked wife) and their budgets needed to be cut until they could prove they are worth of the money the taxpayers invested in them. Instead of doing what they did to the taxpayers. (Lying to them, Vaccines helpe you from getting Covid, you didn't need a mask, then mandated you must wear a mask.) Most of all locking down the world economy. This was just a test to see if the globalists could control the world and that can and wont ever happen again in my lifetime. That was pure evil and cutting funding is a small price to pay for this terrible evil group of people.

    FEMA ask the people in North Carolina what they think of FEMA. FEMA needed to be done away with the minute it was being used to transport/house ILLEGALS.

    I've already given you my thoughts about healthcare and yes you can go to emergency room and get care. They only thing Obamacare did was raise working class Americans insurance rates. by double.

    Stock Market, the left was crowing when the stock market was down, now it doesn't matter that the market has fully recovered and even grown. The next thing that needs to happen if the economy is really going to start cooking is if Powell would lower interest rates. Then more investment would be made by people with real money and everybody from drywall/plmbers/AC guys etc... would benefit. (Powell wont for purely political reasons.)
     
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    You're not going to make sense too Deb. She's just an angry old woman
     
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    Well, **** you then
     
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    Great reply from a guy who is accepting of being lied to for half a century.

    This just in, the world hasn't ended and life hasn't changed much environmentally since the 70's
     

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