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Trump is who they voted for.

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    Making the Smithsonian great again
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    Latinos getting played for the 100th time, and it hasn’t even been a year

    All that simping on their knees for what?
     
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    The co-creator of the infamous 'Trump Burger' restaurant and sandwich shop has been detained by ICE three weeks after his business partner met the same fate.

    While Roland Beainy, the co-founder of the restaurant, had his green card revoked and had been accused of immigration fraud, partner Iyad Muhammad Abuelhawa has a much darker criminal past.

    Abuelhawa, a 55-year-old citizen of Jordan, had received a deportation order in 2009 and has spent time in federal prison for health care fraud and drug misbranding.

    He faced his first conviction for assault in 2000 before running a phony flu shot scam in Texas.

    'While in the U.S. illegally, Abuelhawa has repeatedly put the lives of innocent Americans in jeopardy. In 2007, he was convicted of healthcare fraud and misbranding of a drug for dangerously injecting 1,600 Houston-area residents with fake flu shots,' an ICE spokesperson said.

    Abuelhawa was supposed to be deported after he got out of prison but was able to remain in the country and used the alias 'Eddie Hawa.'

    He and his wife Suad Hamedah rebranded his Bellville Cafe as the 'Trump Cafe' in 2016 when Trump first ran for president and went viral.

    Abuelhawa's first restaurant failed but he went into business in 2020 with Beainy on the Trump Burger joint which eventually became a chain.

    The two men have since fell out and are currently entangled in at least four lawsuits, including a bitter feud over ownership of the Trump Burger brand itself.

    Abuelhawa was finally arrested by ICE on June 2 'and will no longer be free to endanger anyone in the U.S. again,' the ICE spokesperson added.

    His attorney Jennifer Lopez told The Houston Chronicle that the processing center in Conroe, Texas he is being held in is denying Abuelhawa - a diabetic - insulin and blood sugar monitoring.

    'He's not doing well. In my opinion, they're waiting for him to die.'

    Lopez also said that Abuelhawa was allowed to remain in America following the 2009 order 'to multiple [government] agencies' benefit' but would not explain why.

    A spokesperson for DHS told HuffPost that this was a lie.

    'Any claim that detainees are not being provided with proper medical care is FALSE,' they said.

    'This is the best health care many aliens have received in their entire lives. Meals are certified by dietitians. Ensuring the safety, security, and well-being of individuals in our custody is a top priority at ICE.'
     
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    @Reeko look at this dumb bish crying lmao
     
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    she can go to hell

    go ahead and tell your 3 y/o daughter that she’ll never see daddy again because mommy voted to have him deported to Venezuela

    I love how they always start begging for prayers…ha, gtfoh

    I also love how they start going on and on about how so and so is a good person, never committed a crime, etc…the same could be said for a ton of other people you were hoping would get deported when you cast your vote, your baby daddy isn’t special…and nobody gives a damn about your devil tears
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/08/29/trump-aluminum-tariffs-manufacturing-workers/

    My workers voted for Trump. Now they’re absorbing the impact.
    Business was growing for our aluminum foundry. Then came the tariffs.
    By Sachin Shivaram
    Sachin Shivaram is chief executive of Wisconsin Aluminum Foundry and a member of the Main Street Alliance.

    It’s a hard truth that some kinds of manufacturing are never going to come back in the United States, and no amount of protective tariffs will change that. This truth is ignored at great peril for American workers.

    American manufacturing workers don’t ask for much: a fair wage, steady work and the dignity of knowing their job matters. At the aluminum foundry in Wisconsin where I am chief executive, those jobs start at $27 an hour with a pension, a child care stipend and the security of long-term employment. Many of our people have built careers here, sending kids to college, buying homes and retiring with pride. They are exactly the kind of workers President Donald Trump says he wants to help. On that, we agree.

    A disclosure: I didn’t vote for the man. But I’m not just writing this for myself. I’m writing on behalf of the roughly 1,000 workers who power our company — and who overwhelmingly did vote for him. One reason I know that is because in 2020, we hosted then-candidate Joe Biden at our factory in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and a substantial number of our workers turned up in red MAGA hats, spoiling many a photo op. They made sure management and ownership knew how they felt.

    I believe that the president truly wants to help our workers, who form a crucial part of his base. But recent tariffs targeting aluminum imports work against my employees’ interests. I honestly believe this isn’t intentional. Ironically, the president has probably helped me more than anyone at the company, thanks to the increase in the state and local tax deduction and other provisions included in the One Big Beautiful Bill.

    Our business had been growing, and demand was strong in the first quarter of this year. But unfortunately, it has all been downhill since.

    Our primary product is aluminum castings. We melt metal, make a mold, pour the metal, machine it, and sell custom metal parts for engines or for equipment built by our customers. All of that is done here in the United States, and we serve storied national champions of industry — think tractors, trucks, rockets.

    Of any type of manufacturer, we are among the least exposed to the impacts of the new tariff regime: Our input costs are minimal because most of what we buy is raw aluminum and sand for our molds. America doesn’t make aluminum. It is so energy-intensive to refine naturally occurring bauxite into the familiar metal that it’s sometimes referred to as “solid electricity.” We buy aluminum from places such as Iceland and the Middle East, where energy costs are cheaper.

    The Trump administration’s tariffs are meant to encourage domestic aluminum smelting. But they will cause real economic pain. Our input costs are up. The Midwest Premium — a fee that largely determines the cost of buying aluminum in North America — has tripled in the past six months. Our nonaluminum inputs rose 7 percent last month alone. We’ve had little choice but to pass those increases on to our customers, who are no doubt seeing even greater increases from other manufacturers. We saw the first evidence of this in the producer price index numbers released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics in early August. Wholesale prices are starting to climb, and consumer prices will soon follow.

    I get notifications all day and night about big price changes. One would have to be clairvoyant to make capital investment decisions in such a situation, and opinions wildly differ as to what will come next. Will the tariffs hold? If not, when will they change? During this administration? Not until the next?

    What is not debatable is that our order rate is down 35 percent to 40 percent since the start of the year. At other companies, too, demand is crumbling. In such a situation, companies have a fiduciary duty to bring costs down, and the one surefire way to do that is layoffs. At our company, we’ve had little choice but to lay workers off at all of our plants. Shareholders aren’t suffering — not yet — because the impact is being absorbed first by the very people Trump’s policies are meant to help.

    I know that our challenges are not unique. We have relatively little exposure. In fact, in fact, our industry was singled out for assistance. In a different political environment, corporate America would be raising hell. Almost everyone in the business community thinks the tariffs are a bad idea, but CEOs are all too aware that saying so could put their job and company at risk of retaliation from the administration. Is that fear powerful enough to keep corporate America quiet even as consumers start to see prices increase and inflation begins to creep up for reasons that are entirely avoidable and independent of economic conditions?

    Time will tell. For now, I feel as though I’m watching a tsunami video that begins with a shot of a beachside paradise on a sunny day. I encourage everyone to batten down the hatches, because a big, bad wave is coming.
     
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    People who support Trump often share these 7 psychological traits

    https://dmnews.com/dan-people-who-support-trump-often-share-these-psychological-traits/

    There’s a moment in every election cycle when it stops being about policies and starts being about people. Not the candidates — the voters. We stop asking, “What will they do for the country?” and start asking, “Who are these people that support him?” And nowhere is this question more loaded than when it’s about Trump.

    You can feel it in the way the question is usually asked — not with curiosity, but with disbelief. A cocktail of confusion, judgment, and sometimes quiet fear. It is as if to understand Trump’s base is to peer into something we don’t want to see in ourselves: the part of us that longs for clarity, for simplicity, for someone to say, “You were right all along.”

    But that discomfort is where the truth lives.

    Because to really understand the psychology of Trump supporters, you have to let go of the cartoon version of them.

    You have to stop asking what’s wrong with them and start asking — what need is being met?

    And not just for “them,” but for any of us who’ve ever wanted to feel certain in an uncertain world.

    1) There’s a trait psychologists call need for cognitive closure — a desire for firm answers and an aversion to ambiguity. People high in this trait don’t just dislike uncertainty—they actively fear it. In a chaotic world, they crave leaders who speak in absolutes. Trump, for all his contradictions, rarely wavers. He presents simple explanations for complex issues.

    That predictability isn’t just appealing — it’s soothing.

    2) Then there’s authoritarianism, but not in the way it’s often caricatured. This traid doesn’t mean you want dictatorship — you just require order. People with high authoritarian tendencies tend to prefer strong, dominant leadership, clear boundaries between groups, and a moral universe that rewards loyalty.

    Trump’s rhetoric — us vs. them, law and order, loyalty tests — isn’t an accident. It speaks directly to this psychological need.

    3) Social dominance orientation is another key trait. It refers to how comfortable someone is with hierarchies — racial, economic, national. Those with high SDO tend to view the world as a competitive jungle where some groups naturally rise above others.

    Trump’s framing of immigrants, allies, and enemies plays into this worldview. It’s not necessarily about cruelty—it’s about a belief that strength should be rewarded, and weakness punished.

    But not every trait is about power or certainty.

    4) Collective narcissism plays a role too — the belief that your group (be it national, religious, or cultural) is exceptional, but underappreciated or under threat. This creates a constant sense of grievance: We’re great, but they don’t respect us. Trump channels that grievance. He doesn’t just defend “real America”—he promises revenge.

    5) There’s also the trait of reactance: a psychological pushback against being told what to do. The more someone feels pressured by rules, institutions, or elites, the more likely they are to rebel. Trump’s defiance of norms, of media, of science — it isn’t seen as reckless. It’s seen as freeing.

    6) Moral absolutism also shows up — a belief that issues are either right or wrong, good or evil, with little room for ambiguity. For many Trump supporters, his blunt moral framing resonates.

    He doesn’t hedge or qualify — he declares. In a world increasingly defined by gray areas and competing narratives, that black-and-white certainty can feel clarifying, even righteous.

    It’s not that supporters believe he’s morally flawless — it’s that he speaks in a moral language they recognize and feel at home in.

    7) Finally, there’s an external locus of control — the belief that life is shaped more by forces outside your control than your own actions. This mindset often thrives in communities hit hard by economic instability, automation, or cultural displacement. Trump doesn’t ask these voters to take control—he offers to take it forthem.

    All of these traits — need for closure, authoritarianism, social dominance, collective narcissism, reactance, moral absolutism, and external control — they don’t belong to one side of the aisle. They exist in all of us, in different degrees, triggered by different conditions. But together, they form a kind of psychological fingerprint that helps explain why Trump, more than most politicians, inspires not just support — but devotion.

    And yet, that’s not how we talk about it.

    The conversation around Trump’s base is often drenched in moralizing or mockery. On the left, supporters are painted as duped or dangerous; on the right, they’re lionized as patriots or silenced victims. But both views flatten the people behind the politics. They ignore the fact that these voters aren’t reacting to Trump — they’re reacting to what he represents to them.

    Mainstream media often turns this into a demographic story: white, rural, male, undereducated. But demographics are not psychology. You can’t understand belief through zip codes or education levels. You have to look at needs. Emotional needs. Identity needs. Psychological needs.

    And here’s where things get messy.

    Because many of the traits that predict Trump support — like the need for certainty or the fear of cultural displacement—aren’t inherently “bad.” They’re human. What matters is how they’re amplified, what stories are wrapped around them, and how those stories are reinforced by the digital and cultural environments we live in.

    Social media algorithms reward outrage and identity signaling.

    News cycles highlight conflict over nuance.

    Economic insecurity breeds fear, and fear narrows our vision.

    In this climate, someone like Trump doesn’t need to win an argument — he just needs to echo the emotion you’re already carrying. That echo is louder than policy. Louder than fact.


    The Direct Message
    So if you want to understand a Trump supporter, don’t start by listing the things he’s done.

    Start by asking: what does he allow them to feel? Stronger? Safer? Avenged? Seen?

    Because that’s the emotional transaction happening beneath the surface. He doesn’t promise transformation—he promises validation.

    And in a world that constantly shifts under our feet, that kind of validation is gold.

    This isn’t about defending or condemning. It just means you’re looking deeper.

    Recognizing that political choices aren’t just strategic — they’re psychological. And if we keep treating those choices like puzzles to solve or threats to eliminate, we miss the point.
     
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    these are the people ICE should be going after. i think most people can agree on that. i guess they figured if they went total kiss-ass with their burger joint they would be left alone or even get a pardon.
     
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    If only he was in some position of authority with the ability to uphold the rule of law...
     
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    He was the swing vote for the Obamacare fiasco. So you're right, he doesn't follow the law
     
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    ha, fck James Brown and his wife…they get what they deserve

    when ICE was ripping other families apart, James Brown didn’t regret his vote then…the regret only came when it finally affected him
     
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