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Trump is on his Way to an Easy Win in 2020 - Moody's Model

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. Rocketman1981

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    Whether you are a teacher, a policeman, a CEO or a retired person in an annuity you have a large
    exposure to equity markets. The largest investors in the country are pension funds of municipal employees,
    teachers and more.

    We are all connected to the success of US Business. US based globally successful companies provide jobs
    and allow us as Americans to live the life we lead with 5% of the world population and 25% of global gross
    domestic product.

    People are happy with their job prospects, happy with their retirement savings and happy with their financial
    future. This all points to a Trump victory.

    Instead of hating you should be happy because the job market has done more to increase low end wages than
    any government program in history.

    Rejoice.
     
  2. Rocketman1981

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    Let me clarify your ignorance and how the argument changes. Progressives during the great depression tried to force companies to buy back stock as they charged these companies with hoarding cash and not returning it to the public.

    And now these same fools are saying force them to no buy back their shares!!

    Different times, same opportunistic politicians saying to eat the rich and the businesses that employ people.

    Great strategy o_O
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Wut?
     
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    If believing all of this makes you feel better about 2020, then that's fine. You just hold on to that as tight as your little arms are capable.
     
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    English mother****er.
     
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  6. Rocketman1981

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    Uh it is called the truth? You're probably a teacher or government worker as you have way too much time on your hands to
    post all day so probably don't have a specific boss you are answerable to.

    Why do you think those pensions can keep paying you after you've worked only 30 years and then make a pension for 30 years
    paying you much more than you paid in to the system? Aside from the truth that you're pension is being subsidized by long term
    local debt issuers allowing you to live beyond what you produced, but the gains are made by investing in business.

    You know 'businesses'?? The things you put money into and they buy equipment or hire people or expand and then when they
    do the stock price goes up or the company pays a dividend going into the account of your pension thereby allowing it to grow and
    partially make up for the huge gaping deficit terrible promises to government workers paying them far more than they produced.

    Cheers!
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    worked only 30 years? LOL. Aside from the fact that people accepted lower wages than other folks with similar education in order to get that pension to help make up for their sub-standard salaries.

    But please explain more to me about how the stock market and business works. It's fascinating!!!!
     
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    Life has gotten longer. Companies with Pensions went BANKRUPT.

    Only in government and other areas of no accountability and the ability to just borrow more and make the future generations
    pay for it do pensions work. Oh and by the way government workers in the last decade have made MORE than private workers.

    People should save a portion of what they earn though the multitude of options available to non-governmental workers.
    Instead unions keep giving a wink wink and allowing terrible benefits and stacking of hours for firemen and police officers so
    they can make more in a lifetime pension than they made any year of their lives. The pensions last a lifetime and we're all paying
    a price for it. I guess that is why most people in these jobs continue to vote democrat and for socialization.
    Its a drag on the system and you benefit beyond your value and your life and your retirement is subsidized by borrowing from future
    generations.

    Enjoy your pina colada.
     
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    Again this whole thing points to the ignorance that your PENSION is primarily invested in stocks and private equity buyout firms like Carlyle, Blackstone and leveraged buyout operators! Your pension is being paid for by giving money to all the things you hate. Quite the irony??

    You're pension only survives through the success of these enterprises.

    Just say thank you to big business and be appreciative instead of a spoiled child with an allowance beyond his chores and resenting his parents.
     
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    Your rant about no accountability and no bosses makes zero sense. You are parroting something an unreliable source has told you.

    Everyone in society benefits from a better-educated society, a safer society, safer medicine and food in our society. Employers have a healthier more productive workforce. They have employees with better problem solving and skills needed to do the jobs better. They don't draw on social security.

    Most of the people in government and education that I know also have additional IRAs, 403b plans, and various other retirement plans to make sure they are covered. But you wouldn't know that because you keep parroting some crap somebody told you and you believed them. Either they didn't know what they were talking about, or they did and were lying to you.

    I will enjoy any Pina Coladas, Margaritas, Old Fashioneds, beer, wine, gimlets, mezcal, tequila, Madeira, Port, ale, rum, etc. that I happen to come across. Thanks!
     
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    I will say thank you to them. You should also say thank you to all of the educators, government meat inspectors, food and drug employees that make sure you are kept safe from eating contaminated food, or taking drugs known to be harmful but which companies would still happily sell you if not regulated. Also say thank you to those regulating safety in automobiles, the government who allows rural areas to have electricity, interstates to move parts and supplies to the businesses and the government employees that enable all of those things.
     
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    That was a funny scene from Zootopia. I'm guessing you have no idea what it takes to run the DMV, what demands they have to fulfill or anything like that, right?
     
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    I just know what happens when you have a bureaucracy with limited ability to terminate those that do not perform and cannot reward those that perform well.

    I deal with many government agencies so this experience is through experience and experiment!
     
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    You sound like a long ass Trump tweet. Seems like everyone here is a ****ing expert at something.
     
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    The main question I have for you is if you voted for Trump why? Also would you do so again? Simple questions here and I personally will respect whatever answer you give...if you can.
     
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    I appreciate the question.

    It is mainly that government bureaucracy stifles the growth of our nation like gravity on those that create businesses.
    I believe in the power of individual freedom and that capitalism is the system that creates the most freedom.

    Now its not pretty sometimes but America is the place where we are afforded equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

    I think he's a terrible person in many respects, but i think most politicians are. They're just duplicitous in their
    actions and sanctimonious in their tones. They all use government to serve their interests.

    I think most government work can be handled better by the private sector. I'm for regulation of certain industries
    but the complicated nature of regulation actually hinders those that don't have the capital to pay for the lawyers,
    consultants and special interests thereby hurting the people the rules propose to help.

    Read Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom and you'll understand some of my thoughts regarding why
    the FDA, government licencing of medicine and such have done far more harm to consumers than any good they've done.
     
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    Now is he the best candidate. No far from it. But he praises success and doesn't admonish it.
    Its a sad, sad day when the democratic candidates demonizes great success.

    I'm also NOT a war hawk which has been my problem with most Republicans. In the last election,
    Clinton was more of a war hawk than Trump who has been more of an America first focused president,
    which i appreciate.

    I like for example that he is standing up to the Chinese. They're tariffs for example are 3x what US tariffs
    are. That is just not a good situation and no one has had the willingness or the fortitude to try to fight what
    has been an unfair situation for a long time.
     
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    Dream on.
     
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    Assuming average turn out lol. Let's put some low energy geriatrics up on the podium and see how that turn out is!

    Trump's chances of winning are 90% at the moment.
     

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