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Trump cancels the National Institute for Health

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  1. fchowd0311

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    Remember when Einstein became a wealthy venture capitalist?

    Or Oppenheimer?

    I think you are so far removed from a human who has sincere genuine intellectual curiosity that can't fathom a human who is so invested in solving a problem they are working on that they can't move on from it until they solve it.

    I think your brain is broken with capitalism dude. Like I don't think you understand the level of attention to a problem required that creates advancements in science when solved. These people simply don't have space in their mind to care about maximizing return on investment. I think your brain chemistry refuses you to understand this..


    Profits drive efficiency in production to maximize return on investment.

    The intellectual curios academic scientists and engineers funded by the public do the actual advancements in science. The capitalists use that research to find ways in maximizing efficiency in replicating said advancement to mass scale. That is specially what capitalists are good for. Replicating advancements in society to scale.


    The geniuses are the ones who are doing the advancing. The capital owners are the ones scaling up by using engineering and manufacturing talent and labor they employ.

    You see this with medicine like vaccines. The public sector does the main research in advancing new types of medicines like mRNA vaccines and the private sector using the profit motive finds a way to scale up the new advancement in medicine to mass production.
     
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    Buddy I understand you are a academic professor. But stay in your lane as a social science professor.


    "Chasing money" for funding is not the same as trying to create a wealth empire to gain influence and power.

    Let us be clear the motivations of Elon Musk and the now deceased John B Goodenough couldn't be any further apart. These two men couldn't be any further apart in what drives them
     
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    you have no idea what kind of department I worked in
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Agreed. Immediately after I posted that I thought it was a bad argument.

    The government's motivation is the safety of it's citizens and people who work in government institutions feel a responsibility of public service.
     
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    This is the same argument they make with climate scientists.

    "These climate scientists wouldn't have jobs if they didn't make people scared of global warming".

    Like that's brain worm level of logic. First, the "climate scientists" they refer to are the ones who do the mathematical models. These people who make these claims simply don't undt that the math and science skills required to create massive system of partial differential equations that model a system like the atmosphere is a highly specialized skill that is useful in industry. The same math used in climate models is the same math used to do dynamic system models for heat transfer for something as simple as a smartphone chassis a company like Google or Apple is designing. The mathematical modeling they do is a very sought after skill in industry.
     
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    I have a hunch given your post history of you explaining your teaching profession. And I'm hunching it has little do with teaching students anything beyond high school level calculus if any type of math is involved.
     
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    No artificial or real intelligence has gone into the only two posts this poster has made on the D&D.
     
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    I made a comment about grant-writing in academia and now you are saying something about teaching calculus
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Dawg I hope someone is funding you for your time investment in spreading the gospel about evil Muslims and trans people. Like for goodness sakes dude you at least got Dennis Prager or the surviving Koch guy giving you some money for this **** right?
     
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    I don't think your experience in administrative work is great insight in intellectual curiosity of high stem achievers and what drives them. You should have chosen a different path when you were a young whisper snapper of you wanted to gain credibility in the regard of what motivates individuals like Goodenough, Oppenheimer etc.

    Sorry for sounding so gatekeepy here but stay in your lane.
     
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    and I don't think a toy engineering degree from Lowell gives you much credibility in assessing my academic career. so right back atcha
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    I'm not a narcissist who believes my experience is what drives me to believe that capital owners aren't the ones advancing humanity.

    Brah I'm a literal junior mechE who plays with Inventor and Solidworks to retrofit old parts for new applications. My job is boring as ****. I'm not some insider in scientific advancement. You are the one who is trying to use their academic experience to suggest that academic researchers chase money like venture capitalists which is fake news.
     
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    I try hard to like you but you make that very difficult
     
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    You can like me once you learn the likes of Elon Musk, Sam Altman etc aren't the ones advancing society. When you see people like Musk and Altman as leeches you'll understand me better.
     
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    You are in such a tailspin that now you are trying to dox people? Amigo, you need a timeout. I have had to take the unfortunate step of reporting you.

    Your arguments about the profit motive are horrendous and your arguments about why people work for government are equally bad.
     
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    Okay.. so what motivated the scientists who discovered and advanced the field of quantum mechanics... The field of science that led to the microprocessor age?

    What motivated Oppenheimer? What motivated the researchers that developed the mRNA vaccine when it was publicly funded research?


    The hunt and drive for a 150 grand annual career salary? That's all it takes to motivate a human to develop the mRNA vaccine or nuclear energy?






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    You are using examples from many decades ago. The need to go back that far might tell you something... Innovation has exploded as the capital markets and VC markets have developed. Top talent works for these companies -- not for the government. And the profit motive is the engine that drives it.

    Again, you need a timeout. You are in a bad place right now.
     
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    What you are describing is what we call a "tech bubble". When con artist CEOs are at CES trying to find ways to incorporate AI into your washing machine you know the tech industry currently is operating on funny money... On fake hype....

    You are being conned by salesmen.
     
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    Try again, dumbass.
     
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