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Trump cancels the National Institute for Health

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 22, 2025.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Very dumb argument. You probably think ONLY the government can deliver mail and ONLY the government can travel to space. The private sector can handle scientific funding with ease.

    The current structure of research funding is not the only way to achieve scientific progress. The existence of the NIH as a government monopoly on basic research is not the best way to advance innovation. Private markets, financial markets, and even philanthropy can deliver results that are more impactful.

    Additional salient points:
    • The U.S. boasts an unparalleled ecosystem of venture capital, angel investors, and philanthropists who have a proven track record of funding speculative, high-risk ventures, including in biotechnology. We have the best financial system in the world.
    • Companies within the pharmaceuticals space have formed consortia to pool resources for research. This is common.
    • IP Protections: Companies have successfully funded long-term research when intellectual property protections incentivize innovation.
    • Research Foundations: Private foundations like the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the Gates Foundation (puke) already fund significant amounts of research outside the NIH framework.
    • Direct University and Private Sponsorship: Many universities already partner with private companies to fund research... allowing universities to directly compete for private funding.
    • Corporate Labs: Companies like Bell Labs, IBM Research, and Google’s DeepMind have shown that private organizations can create groundbreaking innovations without public funding.
    The investing world has FAR SURPASSED your limited understanding. The NIH is totally worthless.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    This is somewhat of an aside, but I have noticed that some groups of people, speaking generally, often look to the government to provide for their needs. Your post indicates that type of thinking.
     
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    Asking the government to guide and help its people with the best scientists, experts, and data during a pandemic is not asking for too much.

    The private sector cares about profits and nothing else. They dont care about people. Dont you care about people?
     
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    I care deeply about people. That’s precisely why I don’t want government involved in their medicine. The best scientists and R&D people are NOT at the government. You don’t make any money working for the government. You make money and work with the best and brightest in the private sector. That’s the engine that attracts talent and the best outcomes for the people. You have much to learn about how the world works.
     
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    Yes we call those capital owners. The class of humans who take advantage of tax funded infrastructure and services the most to create their lifestyle.
     
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    The best scientists are the best scientists because they have traits that make them inteleically curious. The best scientists are the type of people who have mental health issues when they can't solve a problem.
    The backbone of the mRNA vaccine that can potentially lead to the holy geail of medicine that is a cancer vaccine was almost entirely funded by tax payers.

    Most of the actual research leg work is done on the public sector because guess what. Companies aren't going to fund research that is 15 years out in making any return on investment. Not when they were publicly traded and the CEO has to answer to shareholders about their quarterly investment numbers.


    When quantum physics were discovered, did any industrial capital investor have any clue that this field of science will lead to the modern age of microprocessors to invest in? No the field started through the sher will of intellectual curiosity.


    What is the core technology that Elon Musk relies on for Tesla? The Lithium Ion battery. What corporation was John B Goodenough working for when he and his research assistants invented the lithium ion battery?

    The level of intellectual curiosity required to advance a field of science or technology is so absurdly immense it can be mentally debilitating. There is no room in he brain to care about maximizing profits. The people who advance science do it because they have conniption fits if they can't solve a problem.
     
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    for demnesteaion purpose only:

    case study: increased no. of new patients at the GI tumor site who were referred to by tbeir endocrinologists through incidental finding were (out of range blood work(pancreatic/liver) followed by CT scan )were diagnosed with advance stage cancer, they were actively prescribed ozempic glp 1. correlation has not been established.

    this is where an independent government research center/funding can help
     
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    The private sector often relies on foundational research funded by governments and public institutions.

    Private sectors ARE PROFIT DRIVEN and lead to disparities in access and affordability of treatments.

    You need the government for ensuring equity, access, and public health.

    Arent Pharmacy Companies IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? You know the ones who OVERCHARGE FOR DRUGS.
     
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    Vaccines are protection.

    The number job of government is security but it doesn't have to be the only job
     
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    Researchers for the government are doing the work, they get paid, that's profit motive
     
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    lol: force, fraud and coercion should be the first line of the Maga Carta
     
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    It's not just about incentive like profit motive. The government isn't in competition and can pool ideas in efforts like cancer research
     
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    do we want to give ChatGPT its own account on here or do you want to keep ripping off its answers and passing them off as your own?
     
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    If they were motivated by profit they would be working for Pfizer or Abbott. All of these workers could be making nearly double working for the pharma giants. They are there mostly because the government is where the research goes in to improve health instead of improve usage of drugs.

    Shutting down this agency is stupid and Trump should know this because he only lost in 2020 because he fumbled Covid so bad by trying to fake news his way out of it by lying which made it worse. We had the worst outcomes and deaths of nearly every country mostly because of Trump and the propaganda arm of the GOP. Viruses and diseases do not care if you bully them with mean tweets.
     
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    Oh my! These scientists are so smart that they have used up all their brain room and can't think about the profit incentive or money! Is that your argument? Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks!
     
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    I don't think that poster understands how much time academic researchers spend on chasing money. That money chase may not be for "profits" but it is perhaps more all-consuming than the profit motive in the private sector/industry
     
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    You lack a fundamental understanding of how incentives and motivation work... as well as how capitalism has created the greatest economic engine and innovation engine in the world. Profits drive innovation. Profits drive advancement. Profits drive solutions to problems. Profits drive increases in quality of life. Profits drive access and quality for all. Which society had a superior medical system and quality of life? East Germany or West Germany? Soviet Union or USA? With your line of thinking, you'd pick East Germany and the Soviet Union.

    You know who OVERCHARGES? The government. I pay exorbitant tax rates.


    GOOD DAY
     
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