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Trump - Biden Debate Part Deaux...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by T_Man, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I really dislike Trump on a personal level - he is a malignant narcissist with very little empathy and a pathological liar, his handling of Covid has been terrible, he is a nationalist, isolationist and at best has a murky position on race - but he has been successful on some things.
    • no wars
    • historic recognition of Israel by UAE
    • actually a pretty decent track record on the economy before Covid
    He's also right in putting pressure on countries like Germany to pay their dues to NATO, but he's not right in the way he goes about these things - he blurs the line between who are friends and who are foes, which causes instability.

    Anyway, I do hope Biden wins, but I have strong doubts. I don't think this race is won for Biden yet. They will continue to try to smear him with this ridiculous laptop thing.
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/am...s-pay-a-lower-tax-rate-than-the-middle-class/

    Here's the article. Berkeley economists are good at math. They have one of the best economic departments on the planet and their methodology is in the book source in the article. They consider the effective tax rates at the federal, state and local levels and aggregate them.
     
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  3. Air Langhi

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    Houston is screwed no matter what. What killed coal wasn't politics it natural gas being much cheaper. With renewable prices dropping that is what will ultimately kill O&G.
     
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  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I think that it’s already baked in that Biden will raise taxes and not be good for the oil and gas industry. Just as it’s baked in that Trump says and tweets stuff that offends a lot of people.
     
  5. Deckard

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    Nonsense. "Transitioning away from fracking" is inevitable and will probably take 20 years. Houston isn't going anywhere. It's going up.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL....

    "I was extraordinarily proud of the Paris Accords because, look I know we’re in oil country and we need American energy. And by the way, American energy production, you wouldn’t always know it, but it went up every year I was president. And you know that whole suddenly America’s like the biggest oil producer … that was me, people."

    Yea, that was boastful. But your article backs up my point as it was both public and private forces. Without advances in technology by the private sector, Obama wouldn't be approving the facilities to become a major producer/refiner/exporter instead of continuing to be a major refiner/importer.

    I certainly wasn't insisting it was all due to Obama.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    As a Cal grad I approve this message
     
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  8. HP3

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    Trump is going back to his bunker.
     
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  9. CCorn

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    You’re also a bot
     
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  10. The Real Shady

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    Going to happen eventually anyway, but Biden is way better than what would have happened to Houston with Warren or Sanders. Future of Texas is in Austin and Dallas due to tech.
     
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  11. txtony

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    Didn't Oil drop to negative dollar recently? Houston is going to be fine. It's not the 80 anymore.
     
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  12. IBTL

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    yeah exactly "normally"
    at this point sh*it is getting instinctful and basic.
    this is about food clothing ..in this case shelter from a virus and any kind of job and food...
    its funny how out of touch people are.
    "let them eat cake" type mindset when people just trying to survive.

    it believe its why you see big turnout and thats not good for trump. angry energy
    ... no this is not "normal" at all!
     
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  13. Nook

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    I understand this concern but it really wasn’t even true in 2016. Trump lost the popular vote and overall his performance was within the margin of error.... the mistake was relying on very limited polling in areas like Wisconsin and Michigan and Southern Pennsylvania. There was little in depth polling in these areas because they had long voted the same so no one thought it was worthy of spending the time and money.

    So maybe Trump is being under estimated by as much as 2-3%, which will matter in a true toss up state like Florida where Biden is +4 and is places like Texas... but Biden can lose Florida and even Pennsylvania and likely win the election.
     
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    You've forgotten 2016 so soon?
     
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    Just so you know, Trump reached the number of deaths by drone strikes in 2 years that Obama achieved in 8 and then proceeded to reverse Obama's executive order to have drone strike casualties public.

    Also Trump's economy was fueled by consumer debt and stock buybacks with a low fed interest rate and a sky rocketing deficit. Tradionally when the economy has decent GDP growth, deficits are supposed to shrink. Trump's economy was bound to form a bubble.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...d-during-the-2008-financial-crisis-2019-06-19
     
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  16. CCorn

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    No. They were loud and obnoxious then too.
     
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    Eat my ass **** face
     
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    I do it in person, yes. I don't work in O&G anymore, but did for 10 years. A lot of them are left-wing voters.

    I'll try to categorize: Foreign workers -- obviously they're relatively more in favor of social programs. They just don't know that governments don't care much about O&G companies in the USA. It's the opposite in most other countries they transfer in from -- BP, Shell, Total, Petrobras, Sinopec, Repsol, Eni, Galp... There's more, but nobody will care...

    Then there's the diehard blue straight-ticket voters. Again, O&G workers tend to be old. Lots of men too. I think they were mostly blue before graduating college, probably going through a tough 70s and 80s. A large majority of them have been laid off too... But they were going to vote blue regardless.
     
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    Did we watch the same debate where Trump kept making Joe out to be a crazy socialist? Biden had to remind Trump he beat Bernie and Warren because he didn't want to go as far. Progressives need to overcome the socialism stigma because the GOP well keep using McCarthyism/traditions against you.

    That's the real issue, you Bernie progressives just want to tear some **** up while others want to be more pragmatic.

    You can't just snap your fingers and implement M4A, it took countries generations to fine tune their own programs. You are proving my point.... "details, schmetails".
     
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  20. HP3

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    He's almost started many wars. He's not stable. He's making friends with corrupt countries while alienating our allies.

    Dont know how much this second one matters to Americans.

    He inherited this economy from Obama.
     
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