Trump approve raid without sufficient intel or support

So we now we know from people who were there that it was not an Obama approved mission, and that indeed the blame lies with only the Trump administration. Interesting.

 

Completely different scenario though, one was a planned out mission that didn't go well likely due to somehow the enemy being tipped off about the raid beforehand, the other was an embassy that had been asking for more security for months and being ignored till they were finally hit by a terrorist strike that was played off as a protest over a youtube video. There's really nothing similar about the two incidents.

 

International incidents that either side is going to blow out of proportion for political gain.

You mean that kind of non-similarity?

 

I suppose in the loosest sense, they have something similar in that they are both things that happened. I just meant that none of the specifics are similar and a mission going back isn't really anyone's fault necessarily where as you could say that failure to properly reinforce an embassy that was asking for help over and over again kind if is someone's fault when ignoring the requests leads to an attack.

 

People blaming Hillary and Obama for something that happened on Trump's watch. Exactly what I expected. Trump's fans don't are about accountability. They don't care about truth. They claim to care about their country, but considering who they supported for president, and still support, I have to wonder just what country they think they live in.

 

There's really no "blame" here, only morons are trying to "blame" anyone.....but the raid was planned by the Obama administration, and that seemingly has to be pointed out because some of our friends on the left jumped the gun yet again and thought that this was a valid excuse to bash Trump.

Special forces missions sometimes go bad, it's just how it goes.

 

Absolutely wrong. The raid was not ever planned under the Obama administration. People who were there have cleared up that Trump administration lie.

Khal was there, and there were no specific raids planned under Obama's watch toward the end of this administration. The only thing planned was the idea that they would provide some special forces support to the fighters already engaged. There were no specific missions planned, and certainly not this one.

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/03/for...-yemen-raid-wasnt-planned-under-obamas-watch/

 

I get that he's saying that, but they have a paper trail that disagrees with that version of the story. The plan was first submitted in November, approved by the pentagon in December and the white house discussed it in January but the mission couldn't move forward then due to the lunar cycle. I mean, those are facts that are documented with a paper trail. The pentagon has confirmed this version of events.....but sure, you can throw that out the window and believe random partisan hack's attempt to score cheap political points. You know, whatever you want.

To be honest, there's not even any "blame" to go around, but we know how crazy people on the left have been lately....I guess we should just be happy that this guy isn't one of them are calling for a military coup. That's where the left is at today.

 

Except that according to him the paper trail only points to the meeting where they decided they would allow special forces to be more active in assisting in operations. In fact those attending that meeting were below the pay grade of those that would make that plan prior to sending it to Obama.

There is no paper trail that I've seen that points to them having planned out specific operations.

If you have evidence of the specific plan being spelled out in a paper trail, then we can take a look at that.

The guy who is saying this stuff worked with Gates, and is far from a partisan hack.

Trump's team and their lies are stacking up so fast, they don't really have an honest reputation on their side.

 

Look at the rest of his Twitter feed, it's completely full of DNC talking points and propaganda....he really IS a partisan hack.

Of course all of this being moot as I pointed out before given that there's no reason to blame anyone. I'm not blaming Obama for this operation having a casualty when I point out that it was planned while he was in office, I'm just pointing out the truth to those who would use this as an opportunity to try to score cheap political points. You respond back with a partisan hack denying the pentagon verified reports of the timeline of the plan....sorry that's just not good enough for me.....and even if it was, it still wouldn't be Trump's fault that there was a casualty in this operation. Those kinds of things happen during special forces operations.

 

The military had an idea for a raid. Obama Administration told them to put together a plan. Obama told them he is not going to approve this because it will take place after 1/20/17. He he also saw it as a very risky mission. Obama told them to present it to Trump after he takes office. Trump and his people didn't do their homework and saw it as a early military victory to start his term. The mission goes bad. Trump tries to deflect blame by saying Obama approved the planning of the mission (which is true...but he never approved the mission...because he saw the risk as something the new President should approve...since the raid would happen under his watch). Trump is responsible for not doing his due diligence (which is not surprising).

 

That's certainly the spin that I'm hearing from those trying to use this for cheap political points. I've bolded the BS in what you've said, if you eliminate all of those parts, you'd have a completely legitimate statement.

 

LOL. Those are the most accurate parts of it. Obama is not President. You cannot blame him.
Trump owns this. As President, the buck stops with him.

 

You see spin as "the most accurate parts".....that says some not good things about you.

Anyway, as I've tried to point out, there's nothing to "blame" on anyone. It's not Obama's fault, it's not anyone's fault. It's something that happens. The only reason talk of blame comes up is because our friends on the left have been desperate to find excuses to complain the last several weeks. They haven't had much legit, so they are having to improvise.

 

Um...because of the lack of judgement in Trump and his advisors, they approved a mission Obama wouldnt have approved. That is the issue. He didnt officially reject it because it was going to happen after he left office. He believes in the transition of power and believed the new president needed the opportunity to weigh in.

 

That's simply not accurate for many reasons. The OBL raid was infinitely more risky......and it was approved, so saying he wouldn't approve risky missions is BS. The ONLY reason Obama didn't approve this mission was because the day it would have to happen was after he was out of the white house so he couldn't approve it.

Trying to say there was some kind of judgement issue is petty nonsense that I'm sure even you know is BS.....but you guys just can't help yourselves lately.

 

OBL was not as risky because they had intelligence on the ground. Plus...it was a "friendlier country". You cannot compare the 2. The intelligence that went into the OBL raid was YEARS in the making. Just watch "zero dark thirty". Much of that movie can from inside info.

 

But Benghazi and Killary