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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. TheresTheDagger

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    You're reaction is....interesting?

    While I appreciate your viewpoint about Carlson's "guests" (although I think its kinda skewed) in this case, the guest most certainly isn't on the fringe. In fact, he is a lawyer who works for the United States Civil Rights Commission giving simple facts from studies.

    Aren't numbers (hard facts) the only true way to start to come to some sort of understanding about how large or small this problem is? You have no reaction to the studies he cited?
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    I wasn't saying this guest was like that, I was saying that most of Tucker's guests are like that and the fact that this guy was different is why he had so little to say.
     
  3. TheresTheDagger

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    Sometimes, I feel like getting someone to actually understand the salient point of a post here is like herding cats.
     
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  4. Bobbythegreat

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    I can understand that. Also, for the record, I wasn't at any point disagreeing with the guest or his numbers. I think it would do a lot of people a lot of good to pay attention to things like that because like you were saying numbers like that are pretty much "the only true way to start to come to some sort of understanding about how large or small this problem is".

    I was just pointing out the difference between this very good guest that brought something to the discussion and the normal Tucker guest who is only there to present a really stupid opinion to be ridiculed.
     
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  5. TheresTheDagger

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    More stats:

    According to WaPo's 2016 Pulitzer prize winning project tracking officer involved shootings in the United States, of the 963 people shot (out of 330 million Americans) 17 were unarmed, black victims. This number does not distinguish whether the victims were actually guilty of a crime or not.

    In 2017 so far, of the 737 people shot by law enforcement in America, 10 of them were unarmed black victims. Again, the number does not distingush whether the victims were guilty of a crime.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

    Meanwhile, According to the NOAA, over the last 20 years, the United States averaged 51 annual lightning strike fatalities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike

    In other words, an average american of any color is 3x more likely to die from a lightening strike in any given year than an unarmed, black person is to be killed by law enforcement. (51 lightning strike vs. 17 unarmed black person shot by law enforcement).
     
  6. BigDog63

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    B.L.M.-- Because Lightning Matters?
     
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  7. fchowd0311

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    Fine. So don't complain when a Muslim apologist expresses the same sentiment of the odds of an American being killed by a Muslim extremist.

    Also, you are beating a strawman. Unarmed black men deaths is no where close to the amount of other issues minority communities especially black communities have with law enforcement. From being dispraportionatly detained, to having assets seized without a warrant, there are plenty of issues that these athletes want to raise with the reforms that law enforcement must make in many departments in this country.
     
  8. Roc Paint

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    "That's one small step for man,
    one giant leap for mankind."

    - N. Armstrong
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    drinking a bit earlier than you normally do?
     
  10. Roc Paint

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    That's really all you have to say on this topic this morning?

    You lose
     
  11. Roc Paint

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    You didn't even notice that I quoted someone by the name of Neil. ;)

    Fail 2 the second power!
     
  12. The Real Shady

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    Even CNN declaring Trump a winner.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/29/opinions/trump-winner-in-nfl-fight-jennings-opinion/index.html
     
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  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    I can't tell if you're being serious right now. If so, the jab I made earlier still stands. Hopefully it can result in something positive.
     
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  14. Roc Paint

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    The truth hurts
     
  15. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Not from what I've seen in the past year or so..."Hands Up Don't Shoot!"...."I Can't Breathe!". These are the rallying cries from protests and riots. Not, "Hands up don't seize!", or "I can't see a warrant!" (Okay those were lame but the best I could come up with in a pinch) How many times have we heard protesters yell about law enforcement killing black youth? Like it happens all the time. It's simply not true, but no matter how many numbers we show it being an extremely rare occurrence, it won't matter. All it takes is a few black folks to lie to the media about a black criminal being killed by a cop and they'll be ready to protest and riot again. People will be kneeling again over lies like they are now..and they won't even know why...they'll say...It's for "unity".

    When the next young minority is killed by police on his way home from college or work and living a good, hardworking life, then I'll gladly join the protest...but when it's violent or career criminals putting police in tough situations I'll continue to be on the side of the police and against those that protest for the criminals. If that makes me a 'racist' or a-hole, then so freakin be it...
     
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  16. fchowd0311

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    I don't believe what you've seen as credible evidence of what these athletes and protestors are fighting for because I'm pretty confident that your research of these protests was nothing more than superficial scrolling of social media and news sites that pander towards your preconceived ideologies. You didn't do any geniune outreach and just read headlines.
     
  17. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    You're right...have you done more? What did they show?
     
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    Don't forget this was proven to be a complete lie by a lying witness, Dorian Johnson. That was the whole Ferguson riots' rallying cry - "Hands up don't shoot" -- a complete lie.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    I mean, at this point shouldn't the assumption be that those pushing that kind of narrative are lying? I just don't see any reason why they should continue to get the benefit of the doubt when they seemingly are always either outright lying or at very least misrepresenting the facts.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    I don't dismiss their claims/struggles?
     

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