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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. Rashmon

    Rashmon Member

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    Trump is the gift that keeps on giving...

    I'm not sure which is more entertaining, Trump or his supporters.
     
  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Trump would be the first President to win a Supreme Court decision without the most votes. He'll be the Chuck Norris of Presidents.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    If you want to get technical, those who enter legally are merely law violators subject to civil penalties, which happen to include detention and deportation. Those who enter illegally are criminals. Under the colloquial understanding of the word criminal though, as one who breaks the law, rather than the legal definition, all illegal immigrants would be considered criminals.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    So basically someone is a criminal if you say so, or just a law breaker if you say otherwise. Maybe Trump can elect you to the SCOTUS.
     
  5. A_3PO

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    Question for anyone/everyone: Who will be Trump's VP choice? Would anyone besides Christie accept?
     
  6. durvasa

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    Excuse my dumb question ... how are the law violators if they enter legally?
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Nope. Based on the common usage of the term criminal, being one who breaks the law, someone who breaks the law is a criminal. Based on the legal definition of the term crime, people subject only to civil penalties are not criminals. It has nothing to do with my say so, and everything to do with the fact that non-technical meanings are often attributed to words that differ from their technical definition. Consider the word agnostic. The technical definition of agnostic is lack of knowledge. Someone can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist (in fact I would say everyone falls into one of those two camps). In common usage, there is a triad of positions with atheist (disbelief), agnostic (uncertain one way or the other), or theist (believes in a deity).

    Here is an experiment you can perform. Ask people what they would call someone who violates the law (or alternatively, is someone who breaks the law criminal). I guarantee a non-trivial number will say criminal/yes.
    Because they overstay their visa, which is what makes them illegal immigrants. Someone who enters legally and is within the terms of their visa (or becomes naturalized) is not an illegal immigrant and thus not a law violator (based on this law anyway, anyone is capable of breaking many laws).
     
  8. peleincubus

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    Shouldn't the VP nominees be announced really soon??
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Just like someone going 5 over the speed limit. They are criminals.
     
  10. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

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    I just looked it up Palin was announced August 29th.

    Biden August 23rd.

    Paul Ryan August 11th.

    Cheney July 25th

    Edwards July 6th

    Liberman August 8th

    Kemp August 10th

    Gore July 9th

    Quayle August 16th

    Bentsen July 12th

    Ferraro July 12th

    Bush July 16th

    So... There ya go any day now, or could be up 2 months away.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree with your reasoning and yes you're correct that those who break the law, in this case not following US immigration laws, are criminals. I think that you would agree that laws that are out of step with reality the problem lies with more with the law than it does with the criminals.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    There's been a lot of talk about Newt Gingrich.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    This clown just used the star of david in an attack on Hillary.

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  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I suspect Trump will announce that he is such a good candidate, that he will be his own running mate.
     
  15. Cohete Rojo

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    PBS Newshour shows Trump leading 45% to Clinton's 37% in "Honest & Trustworthy".
     
  16. Sooner423

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    That speaks volumes, doesn't it?
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Thought that might be a tie at 0.
     
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    What do you think that indicates?
     
  19. RocketsLegend

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    BLM are all class :rolleyes:

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  20. A_3PO

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    Trump needs to get it over with. Hillary should wait until after the GOP convention.
     

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