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Trump’s hidden tax returns take on new significance

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jul 26, 2016.

  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Contributing Member

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    I’m merely documenting the schizophrenic nature of your arguments. I’m not defending Trump’s character.
  2. dmoneybangbang

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  3. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
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    "If you can't impeach him, embarrass him":

    If You Can’t Impeach Him, Embarrass Him
    Those calling for President Trump’s tax returns probably won’t find much.
    Seth Barron
    May 14, 2019

    Disappointed by Robert Mueller’s failure to demonstrate President Trump’s perfidy, Democrats are focusing anew on the president’s tax returns. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is refusing to order the release of Trump’s federal returns to the House, saying that there is no legislative purpose for doing so, but a new effort to expose Trump’s tax history runs through Albany, where Democrats in 2018 gained solid control of the state senate for the first time in decades. Governor Andrew Cuomo has promised to sign a bill making its way through the legislature that would submit any New Yorker’s state tax returns to Congress, on request from the chairs of any of three revenue-related committees.

    The excitement among Democrats is palpable. “We are facing a constitutional showdown,” says State Senator Brad Hoylman, the legislation’s sponsor. “New York, as the home of the president’s state taxes, has a special responsibility to step into the breach.” Assemblywoman Pat Fahy concurs, saying that “we can help hold the president accountable and we will set future precedents for all elected officials, that neither you as a president nor your business interests are above the law.”​

    National politicians and media are equally enthusiastic. “We will press on, because if we don’t, Trump will escape scrutiny and we won’t be able to hold future presidents accountable for abuse of power, malfeasance or corruption,” says House Investigations Committee chair Adam Schiff. New York writer and Trump critic Jonathan Chait asks: “Do Republicans believe Trump’s financial secrets contain no signs of serious corruption or vulnerability to leverage by a hostile power?”​

    But will Trump’s tax filings, once exposed, establish his bondage to foreign despots? It’s unlikely. Tax returns, like corporate statements, don’t provide a history of financial dealings or well-being. Their ambit is limited: they report income offset by allowable losses and deductions, with the goal of determining the amount of tax owed to the government. While debts may be inferred from the listing of interest payments, filers have no obligation to reveal which bank holds their mortgage, or to provide specifics of how deals were structured. Nor does the simple Form 1040 demand that you explain what you do at your job, or how well you perform, or why you lost it.​

    A common reporting theme regarding Trump and taxes is that, as with Al Capone, the president could be brought to justice for one of his lesser crimes—namely, tax evasion. But Capone paid no tax at the height of his ravages; he didn’t even file returns. No evidence suggests that Trump ever failed to file returns or that he has evaded taxes. On the contrary, there is every reason to assume that, as someone who has flaunted his wealth throughout 40 years of involvement in the construction, gaming, and leisure industries, Trump has received more than his share of scrutiny from tax authorities. He has not conducted himself like a person with something to hide; rather, his whole persona—private jets, elaborate vacation homes, bizarre investment schemes—screams: Audit me! And, if he is to be believed, the feds have been doing just that for most of his adult life.​

    Moreover, Trump is famously litigious. He has been involved in thousands of lawsuits, many of which he instigated. Over decades in court, the amount of material that must have been submitted in discovery is unimaginable—probably millions of documents regarding his businesses and dealings. Yet, despite legions of investigators poring over Trump’s life, almost nothing of significance has turned up. In 1968, while in his mid-twenties, he may have colluded with his father in steering black applicants away from certain Brooklyn rental properties, and he may have inherited more money than he likes to admit. These are not flattering revelations—particularly the allegations of racial bias—but they are hardly the stuff of impeachment and prison sentences.​

    It’s likely that Trump’s pursuers don’t expect to find smoking guns in Trump’s tax returns. Decades in public life, including multiple infamous bankruptcies, have produced no hint of major scandal or criminality. So why should we expect his tax returns—already submitted to the government and scrutinized by forensic professionals with power to arrest—to reveal anything shocking?​

    Those demanding Trump’s tax returns probably just want to embarrass him by proving old rumors that he isn’t as rich as he pretends to be. For all this effort, though, that would be a weak payoff—especially since the people likely to care about such revelations aren’t Trump voters, anyway.​

    Seth Barron is associate editor of City Journal and project director of the NYC Initiative at the Manhattan Institute.
  4. dmoneybangbang

    May 5, 2012
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    So the Dems are doing to Trump to what the GOP did to Hillary?

    With the caveat that Trump totally lies and inflates his wealth and successes.....

    I love it.... keep hitting fat Trump again and again.... can we get his health records so we can make fun of his cholesterol level?
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  5. adoo

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    For the second consecutive day,t he tax-evader-in-chief has asked the US Supreme Court to block the subpoena for the release of his tax returns.
    So far, Trump has lost every court fight insofar as releasing his tax return

    2 days ago, on Thur, 14 Nov 2019,

    Trump's lawyer asked the USSC to look into the court and appellant court decisions,
    approving the Manhattan DA's request to the accounting firm (who filed Trump's tax returns)
    to release Trump's tax return for the past 8 years.

    If less than 4 SC justices agree to listen to the case, the appellant court decision stands.​

    yesterday, 15 Nov 2019,

    Trump's lawyer asked the USSC to look into the court and appellant court decisions,
    approving the request , by the House Ways & Means Committee, to the accounting firm
    (who filed Trump's tax returns) to release Trump's tax returns,
    as well as underlying documents for the past 8 years.

    in this case, he USSC has to decide by Wed, 20 Nov 2019.

    if less than 5 SC justice agree to listen to the case, the appellants court decision stands.
    the accounting firm must release the tax returns and underlying supporting documents by 20 Nov 2019.​
    #185 adoo, Nov 16, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2019
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    Given how much Trump has already embarrassed himself, one has to seriously question the sanity of this argument.
  7. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    What is embarrassing about his Tax Returns?

    Rocket River
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  8. FranchiseBlade

    FranchiseBlade Contributing Member
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    He may well be impeached.

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