We know...you're probably dazed and tired from reading all the posts on this thread. Mango: DANG YOU...for enjoying this thread . Don't flog me--even though I'm not in the "clique".
Crispee, I think you have finally lost your mind. I know I haven't been around much lately, has this been coming on and I just didn't notice? Or has it been too quiet around here and you're just tossing chum in the water? Maybe I'm misreading it or my homeristic streak is blinding me, but I don't read what you seem to read into that article. on his possible extension he says: What I see here is that Francis HATES to lose and feels that everything is going pretty good and as long as the Rox don't screwup too god-awful badly, he will remain here. At the worst , his comments could be construed to be like lighting a lighter under managements ass to ensure they do whatever is necessary to field a quality team. but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong... If this post doesn't meet your qualifications for a response,flame away..it's gotta be better than being ignored(like I usually am)
Amen. Funniest thing is that he keeps reminding others to "stay on topic" if they say he is overreacting.
Count me on the hey-crispee bandwagon or whatever, but I don't see how there is an overreaction... if anything there is an underreaction to some vile remarks by Francis. I can't see the positive in Steve's remarks nor why he decided to say it so publicly....If he has concerns the man thing would be to discuss the situation on a one-to one or one-to-two basis...If his goal is to be a team player then "walk the talk and talk the walk". Furthermore, I don't buy he's young and dumb at 24. At 24 and with a semi-college education you should be able to understand the magnitude of your actions based on your position. It's simple. I can say something that will go unnoticed because I'm public-nobody just like you...but If I were in city council, and said what is on my mind..I might find my position in peril. So let's all think about summarizing crispee as overreacting because the opposite might be true...
Det, The word is "overcritical," not "overreaction." Overreaction is calling my comments panicky, when in fact many in this thread are the ones expressing panic for this season....and many agree that Francis comments show frustration...which is the onset of panic...no? Thanos is more losing his mind about KT starting this season and Achebe about the wuv fest, than I am about my interest in overanalysing quotes from superstar (especially when made clear by an agent's follow-up). At worst, I am overcritical of the quotes. Piling on this "you've lost your head" just says to me you are accusing me of panic, which is an overreaction. Plus, notice yesterday that all I really was doing was challenging people with no real point to make one concerning why they think Francis is a leader worthy of "lighting a fire under mgmt," "sticking a gun to our head," or judging the development of Griffin in one year. As for the trade discussion, it is just "what if" discussion about "what if" Francis is serious and rejects an extension. What does that mean? My point is that it doesn't mean to panic. But I guess that is an overreaction. This overreaction to me is either jousting with me (which is fun) or the inability to discuss scenarios involving Francis being anything less than unreproachable and a true superstar right now, and "head and shoulders above any other Rocket." Coming into a critical thread to say it is meaningless or sad is, in itself, meaningless and sad. Move on. Don't be a crank! NIKEstrad and Mango: I'm going to the Astros game with my mum, but would love to discuss more. I am more interested in the nature of a superstar than discussing the "what if" trade scenarios, though.
A lot of the comments here are total bs. Leaders of teams DO speak what is on their mind. When is the last time Jordan, Barkley or Shaq ever bit their tongue on any subject?? I'd rather Francis say what he feels instead of saying "I want to finish my career with Houston" and bolt when his contract is up. Again, I think most of this conversation is a waste of time. We need to get back to more important things like bashing Cato. Old School
Sigh... Old School, would you please read my crispee fact #1 in my opening post. I am the first one to say that leaders speak their minds. I am asking why you think Francis is that leader when he is still learning his position. What is BS is you not understanding that the thread is questioning whether Francis is THAT LEADER yet and can judge us...and then calling it a complete waste of time. What is BS is you apparently believing this is Francis's team, and we as fan (and mgmt) are locked to his destiny, so don't critique him. If so, what leadership qualities has he shown you, yet? Is that really your Point that he is a leader beyond reproach? or is your only point that this is a complete waste of time, and you need to post us that, TWICE! If your point is this is a complete waste of time, and you have no other point, then you are going to have to post that a third time, because I want to make certain I have you pegged correctly.
heypartner, If CD and Rudy drafted Morris because Francis asked them to, does that show mgt has faith/regard in him as the leader? The rumor is that they had to sell the trade to Les. Were they doing that to get Morris or satisfy Steve? Yes, it is possible to kill 2 birds with one stone, but one bird has to be the original target and accomplishing the secondary goal just happened to be doable with the same stone. Will these comments by Steve motivate Rudy and CD to have a long conversation with him? Mango
We need to rename this thread, The Jason Voorhees Thread , because it just won't FREAKIN DIE!! Crispee: Do a Forrest Gump here and say, "That's all I want to say about that."
Mango- My understanding, is that Les was opposed on a basketball sense, not as a salary crunch (of course not, as Morris would not be guaranteed money). To the casual basketball fan, they'd say trading a pick guaranteed to be higher than the one you're trading for (1st rounder for 2nd rounder), is a bad move. But, because of this draft's depth, a couple of teams did that, because they thought the 2nd rounder they were getting, was better than a first rounder they'd probably get in a couple years (Morris and Cook). Obviously, CD/RT sold him on the the talent of Morris. It's no secret that Francis wanted Morris. But, Morris is very much a Rudy player. Hopefully something Rice will show Francis is how a perimeter player can be the leader of his team. I feel Francis can't have his ability to be "the man" judged yet, because this will be his first year without Hakeem. As long as Hakeem was on the roster, Francis couldn't claim full ownership. To this point, Francis hasn't taken over, but I will reserve my judgement till at least mid season. I wonder if Francis did start things out behind the scenes. His comments come on the heels of CD implying he'd be content sitting pat. These comments were not very harsh. They were measured, but mild enough that the rest of the nation didn't catch them. Francis could very well be asking them to acquire someone to ease the loss of Mo.
Mango, Three things to tell you: 1) Lighten up 2) It's people like you that feed Crispee's neurotic behavior when you respond to every little complaint he has by saying, "Hey partner..." 3) It's a long season...hell, the season hasn't even started yet. For people to get this upset and bent out of shape over something that may never happen is comical, tiresome, and ridiculous. You might not give a damn what I think and that's your opinion. However, I care a lot about the Rockets and I will post serious things about the Rockets. This "topic" is not a serious thing, IMO. There are more important threads to talk about and discuss than some overreaction thread started by "hey partner". Let me ask you a question: Has there been anybody else other than Rocks Millenium or The Cat even remotely interested in going on and on with Crisps on this? NO! That's what I thought...as hey partner would say, "next!" (thread that is)
Remember that Randy Moss spewed much of the same kind of sentiment in the disappointment of a loss last year and a few months later signed the all-time biggest NFL contract with the Vikings. This strikes me as a casual remark that is getting wide publicity here and here only. If he had told Peter Vescey or David Alridge that in an on-camera interview, I would worry more. On second that, I would relax more!!
Manny, threads wont go away on your whims. Here are some tips for you: If you don't like the thread, don't read it. If there are so many more threads that are more important to talk about and discuss, then by all means, go there and stay away. If crispee's "neurotic" behavior and the people who "feed him" bug you so much, then put him on ignore. It really is that simple.
The BBS has overreacted to far less than Francis' recent statements. This is actually the first real "meat" there has been to talk about in a long time. This has nothing, IMO, to do with Francis' "leadership" abilities. This has to do with whether or not Francis is good enough to win a championship. The odds are he's not. He's starting to look like Grant Hill. Grant simply isn't good enough to lead a team to a championship, so he left his team. He was tired of the team losing so much while he was supposed to be a star--it made him look bad...so he leaves in hopes that he can get more wins. I don't think Francis would ever go to another team unless he wouldn't be the best player on that team. Do you think Shaq left the Magic because they didn't have the talent to win? Would Shaq ever go to a team to play 2nd fiddle? Shaq knew he was good enough, he just wanted to be in a more fun situation for himself. Orlando had a better team, for chrissakes. Penny Hardaway was better than anyone LA had. And Hakeem had already carried a team to the Finals. It's not like he had failed and complained like Grant Hill because he didn't have what it took to win. Hakeem kicked around the '86 Celtics, for crying out loud. He waited for 6 more years of the Rockets surrounding him with total crap before he spoke out. Francis, on the other hand, has proven nothing. He should have said "no comment" when asked the question. And 24 years old is not a freaking kid, geez.
I agree with the above....O gosh, I contributed to the furthermore of this god-forsaken thread....nooooo!!!!!
Now that sounds like a man who has done his homework. Exactly my thinking. And Manny, you are the one who needs to lighten up. I'm having a lot of (harmless) fun at hp's expense over here. Don't spoil things as he usually isn't caught with his pants down like this.
