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True Shooting% and Effective FG%

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocketfanatic2, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. jsmee2000

    jsmee2000 Member

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    The stats posted by the OP are from basketball-reference.com. If you look at the percentages for Kevin Martin...all statistics are for Kevin Martin as a Rockets only. Therefore, I would say that he is far away from the injury that perhaps these stats are not polluted although the sample size is quite small.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Yes, you are right.

    I guess there is no perfect stat, they all have issues in one form or another.

    Couldn't you do some sort of FT% shooting modifier to the PPS to get it a little more accurate?

    DD
     
  3. towW

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    ahh ic so eFG is basically
    Points Per Attempt
    and
    TS% is FT points added to the points part of the equation.
     
  4. jsmee2000

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    Just for reference, I have compared all starting shooting guards against Kevin Martin as a Rockets. Note that some players were just recently traded or others became starters because their SG got traded. In these cases, the number of data points used to obtain the stats (from basketball-reference.com) might be quite small.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vzV0DiSenKXHw94KLLG25A?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8u4A05PwTfw/S4vcC6pOuVI/AAAAAAAACNI/8nK-qLZtNoY/s800/2009-2010_fg.png" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/jsmee2000/Percentages?feat=embedwebsite">percentages</a></td></tr></table>

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    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5XQAGIwrf1ZffB7n5qCzJw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_8u4A05PwTfw/S4vcDlbMwuI/AAAAAAAACNM/DVPicXsGjsc/s800/eFG.png" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/jsmee2000/Percentages?feat=embedwebsite">percentages</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NXzo2uSbC_NrTT5qqdXQkg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8u4A05PwTfw/S4vcEds43HI/AAAAAAAACNU/CZi3KHvTSWs/s800/ts.png" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/jsmee2000/Percentages?feat=embedwebsite">percentages</a></td></tr></table>

    Hey...at least Kevin Martin has a better TS% compared to T-Mac.
     
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  5. durvasa

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    See TS%.
     
  6. jsmee2000

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    Durvasa...

    Do you know of any stat that takes into consideration the number of times you get hacked while shooting to adjust your FG%?
     
  7. durvasa

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    You mean no-calls?
     
  8. durvasa

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    eFG% corresponds to points per field goal attempt, ignoring points from made free throws, and scaled by 0.5.

    TS% adds in the points from free throws to the numerator, and it adds trips to the free throw line (not including and-1's, technicals) to the denominator.
     
  9. roslolian

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    LOL at mike miller owning everybody at everything. Maybe we got the wrong efficient SG? :p
     
  10. kevC

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    That's exactly what TS% is.

    Can you imagine next year when we have two .600 TS%, high usage players?
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Yep, Durvasa explained that.....and next year will be amazing...

    DD
     
  12. jsmee2000

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    When Kevin Martin takes a shot but gets fouled, the shot counts against his FG percentage. In other words, the chances of a making a shot when fouled becomes smaller. Does anybody quantify that?
     
  13. Launch Pad

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    When someone is fouled in the act of shooting, it only affects that player's FG% if he actually makes the shot. If he misses, it does not factor into his FG%.
     
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    Really, does FIBA rules this differently?
     
  15. durvasa

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    Like Launch Pad said, when a player is fouled in the act of shooting and he misses the field goal, it does not count as a field goal attempt. I assume FIBA treats it the same way.

    TS% takes those type of plays into account by adding 0.44*FTA in the denominator.
     
  16. BucMan55

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    JSmee: That chart would have had Martin a lot lower after his first 2 games. 5 games in a new offense isn't enough of a sample to get a real idea. As Bill Worrell said, Martin seems to be getting more comfortable by the quarter.


    Update the chart on March 15th, see where Martin lies.
     
  17. Launch Pad

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    I'm not really familiar with FIBA rules, but perhaps someone else can address this question.
     
  18. pmac

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    Martin's ability to get to the line make him better than Miller.

    Still, that graph is an excellent example of how shooting efficiency doesn't directly correlate to a player's net impact on a team.
     
  19. ross84

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    I was comparing FG with TS for scola. And comparing TS with eFG in general not FG with eFG...
     
  20. ross84

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    what about the dream shake? Where is that in efficiency? :)
     

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