Well, when the main point of contention seemed to be what the author of the article was saying, it was my very light-touch way of saying (to poster(s) whom English is not a first language and have tripped over things like this in the past) that "hey, I have a pretty strong grasp on newswriting, so I'm pretty sure they mean X and not Y here". Apparently emotions run ridiculously hot in this thread, so that somehow came off as a "HERP DE DERP LOOK AT MUH CREDENTIALS!" when it really wasn't. And sure enough, a very basic, fundamental misunderstanding of language as it relates to deductive reasoning (e.g. stating X exists does not imply Y does not exist) brought this thread straight into the gutter. Still waiting on that confirmation of 1000~ migrants though. But for now I suppose anecdotes and impotent, sputtering rage will have to do.
I'll backup DonnyMost here. His reading of the sentence is correct. The article confirmed 60 of the suspects were migrants. One may be able to reasonably extrapolate that half (or more) of the 2000 reported attacks were also due to migrants with more information, but there isn't enough information in the article to conclude that. Probably others are operating off of additional information that isn't present in the article itself in making the more general claim, which is perfectly fine.
Exactly. I'm not naive or stupid enough to think that the number of migrants stops dead at 60. It's reasonable to assume a large portion of them are likely migrants due to the sample size of 120, but 1000~ is a pretty big leap to make. As many have said though, we'll never quite know because of a lack of oversight and police involvement/presence in these incidents. It's a very strange and sad situation. One thing I've been hunting for and not been able to find are the previous years rates of crimes of this nature for comparative purposes. Clearly there has been an increase, but nobody seems to be able to pinpoint or show exactly how much. I have no doubt the increase is influenced by an influx of migrants, but I don't want to go assigning some huge and arbitrary amount of cause to it.
Oh I don't care one way or the other, but I imagine reading a couple of articles and coming back to post informed questions and comments would have taken you about 1/10th of the time and effort (and not derailed this thread, though you weren't the only culprit). I just did a quick google of "Cologne mass rape" and the top results from the WaPo, wiki, BBC and Express would seem to have the info you're looking for. Hell, I'd guarantee there's a D&D thread about it as well you could read.
That's fair. But like I said, I figured the SME could provide me with a link or direct source of information. Again, it's not like it's uncommon practice for people to seek out information on D&D topics from the participants. FWIW, the thread could have also avoided derailing if the reply I received was a link to confirmation of the statement by the OP, instead of "WTF EVERYONE KNOWS THIS FAK U RAGE RAGE RAGE". FYI - running the google search you just suggested .... of the top 5 hits I get, none of them answer my initial question/concern, except for one, that appears to be a tabloid.
Hero lorry driver fought Berlin attacker only moments before truck ploughed into market killing 12 The owner of the truck used in the Berlin attack tried to pull the wheel out from the terrorist’s grasp as he drove into the Christmas market. Lukasz Urban, 37, desperately tried to stop the terrorist who had hijacked his lorry shortly before committing the horrific terror attack, according to an autopsy report. The 37-year-old, who is believed to have been spotted by his killer while buying a kebab, repreatedly tried to stop him despite heavily bleeding from his stab wounds. According to an investigator speaking to Bild news, there ‘must have been a fight’ despite initial reports that the Polish father had been killed before the terror attack in Breitscheidplatz Square. The terrorist is believed to have stabbed the Polish driver several times in order to stop him from halting the attack which killed 12 people and injured 50 others. Pictures of Lukasz appear to show him fighting with the terrorist only moments before he was fatally shot. His body was later found in the lorry following the attack but the terrorist was nowhere to be found. German officials showed pictures of the dead lorry driver to his family back in Poland so that they could identify him. His cousin, Ariel Zurawski, who was the owner of the trucking company Lukasz worked for, said: ‘It was really clear he was fighting for his life. ‘His face was swollen and bloodied. Police informed me that he had suffered gunshot wounds. Despite being stabbed he was shot dead. ‘I believe he would not give up the vehicle and would defend it to the end if he were attacked.’ http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/21/hero-...ruck-ploughed-into-market-killing-12-6337069/ RIP
I'll extrapolate. The 4 weeks I spent in Poland (from Zakopane to Sopot and all points in-between) with her family were awesome. i do have a soft spot for Central Europe.
Berlin Christmas market attack suspect killed in Milan shootout The Berlin Christmas market attack suspect Anis Amri has been killed in Milan, according to Italian state police. The suspect was killed in a shootout in Sesto San Giovanni -- a district in the northeastern part of the city -- just after 3am local time, Italian police said on their Twitter feed. When the man was asked for his papers, he pulled a .22 calibre gun out of his backpack and fired, police said. The driver of the police car returned fire, killing the suspect. A policeman was injured in the shootout and is in hospital. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/23/e...market-attack-suspect-killed-milan/index.html
ATW and I have explained the sentence multiple times and fully understand it, you still seem to not get the point of the argument. It was not about a language barrier.
It's hilarious that he is trying to use the "language barrier" thing now. I'll forgive him. Seems like a reasonable enough poster most of the time. Just one of those people who cannot admit it when they were wrong. It's ok.
The terrorist travelled through France no problem. That should raise some serious questions about their security.
That's an AP story. And a good one at that. Just so you know, Fox News and several other conservative outlets are running it.
Right? Why humanize this? It works much better when you don't think of them as people who actually had hopes and dreams at some point that didn't include dying for their brand of religion.
