1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by gucci888, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,121
    Likes Received:
    6,394
    All 4 had nice debuts so it'll be interesting to track their progress throughout the season. As expected, none are projected to be the Week 1 starter but thinking Trubisky and Kizer get the nod before Mahomes/Watson, but more because of the starter in front of them.

    Trubisky:
    18 of 25, 166 yards, 1 TD

    Mahomes:
    7 of 9, 49 yards, 1 TD

    Watson:
    15 of 25, 179, 1 Rushing TD

    Kizer:
    11 of 18, 184 yards, 1 TD
     
    Houstunna likes this.
  2. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    43,572
    Likes Received:
    7,233
    Early conclusions are easy based on the first preseason games.

    On to round two, which should give us an idea about round three which will telegraph the opening game starters.

    Because I work with a hard core Bears fan, I'm following that as closely as the Texans situation.
     
  3. Juxtaposed Jolt

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2010
    Messages:
    20,818
    Likes Received:
    16,615
    One of the weakest projected QB classes could turn out to be one of the strongest. And yeah, preseason is preseason (especially game 1), but it's more fun to be optimistic, no?

    That Mahomes kid has a great arm.
     
  4. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,121
    Likes Received:
    6,394
    The Bears QB situation is the most intriguing IMO. Giving Glennon that huge deal, trading a ton to move up 1 spot for Trubisky, Glennon looking awful/Trubisky looking wordly (yes it's preseason but still), etc...
     
  5. Nimo

    Nimo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2012
    Messages:
    13,392
    Likes Received:
    7,056
    Why do we care about how the non-Texans players are doing?
     
  6. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    51,331
    Likes Received:
    57,621
    still has terrible footwork though which was his pre draft concern
     
  7. FLASH21

    FLASH21 Heart O' Champs

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2008
    Messages:
    13,638
    Likes Received:
    5,604
    Because in hindsight, people will start to compare our guy with this guy and that guy from the same draft class. Talk about who we "shoulda got" rather than what we currently have.

    It's one big ass circle jerk for fans to compare one athlete to another, but sh**, we all do it anyway! Cause it's "fun".
     
  8. Malaya

    Malaya Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2016
    Messages:
    526
    Likes Received:
    310
    Scheme fit.

    You all realize the QB we drafted must be able to digest our complex playbook. As well as lead a locker room filled with seadoned veterans.
     
    red5rocket likes this.
  9. red5rocket

    red5rocket Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    10,068
    Likes Received:
    12,795
    It'd be awesome if the top 4 or 5 qbs in this draft succeed (top 3 for sure). It'll give these goes something extra to compete against and hopefully be the next line of qbs.

    It'd be even better if the qbs coming out next year are not as good.
     
  10. coachbadlee

    coachbadlee Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    9,203
    Wouldn't it be something of these guys turned out to be the best QB group to come out in a while? Especially after all the hate they got during the draft process.
     
    A_3PO likes this.
  11. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2000
    Messages:
    21,737
    Likes Received:
    6,363
    According to NFL scouts every QB class is a weak class except when you have a Luck, Manning, elway etc.
     
  12. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,121
    Likes Received:
    6,394
    True but more so for this class compared to the last 3. Based on NFL.com's draft grades, Watson and Mahomes would have been the 4th and 5th best QB respectively last year and the 5th/6th the year before Winston and Mariota's class.

    Trubisky: 6.3
    Watson: 5.9
    Mahomes: 5.8
    Kizer: 5.7

    Wentz: 6.5
    Goff: 6.5
    Lynch: 6.1
    Cook: 5.8

    Winston: 6.7
    Mariota: 6.2
    Petty: 5.4 (Big dropoff)

    Bortles: 6.2
    Bridgewater: 6.1
    Carr: 6.1
    Manziel: 6.1

    This also shows how much of a crap shoot these grades are too. Looks like they had a different system back then but even Geno Smith was graded out as an immediate starter while Watson, Mahomes, and Kizer are in the "could become an early starter."
     
    #12 gucci888, Aug 15, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2017
  13. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    51,331
    Likes Received:
    57,621
    Mahomes:10-14, 88 yards, 2 TDs and 3 rushes for 29 yards

     
    #13 zeeshan2, Aug 19, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2017
    mario_v likes this.
  14. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    109,932
    Likes Received:
    163,109
    QB Patrick Mahomes, 76.4 overall grade
    The Chiefs first-round pick had a solid night completing 71 percent of his passes for a pair of touchdowns while adding 29 yards on just three carries. Mahomes showed his athleticism outside of the pocket and displayed the arm strength that caught the NFL’s attention before the draft. Mahomes’ most important statistic of the night however, was having a “Zero” in the turnover column. He finished the evening with an impressive 83.3 adjusted completion percentage.



     
    #14 J.R., Aug 19, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2017
  15. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    109,932
    Likes Received:
    163,109
     
    #15 J.R., Aug 19, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2017
  16. RasaqBoi

    RasaqBoi Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    17,079
    Likes Received:
    20,705
    do you guys think Mahomes was our pick? Texans panicked and moved up for the next best?
     
  17. Fyreball

    Fyreball Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    15,064
    Likes Received:
    12,510
    I don't think panic is the right word, but I do think they had a plan in motion for each contingency that occurred. It wouldn't surprise me if they had Mahomes ahead of Watson on their board though.
     
    Htownballer38 likes this.
  18. Bennie Anders

    Bennie Anders Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    Likes Received:
    130
    Yes, I think a version of this happened, in that at least the Texans wanted Watson in the second round if not Mahomes in the first.
     
  19. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,121
    Likes Received:
    6,394
    Trubisky:
    18 of 25, 166 yards, 1 TD
    6 of 8, 60 yards, 1 TD

    Mahomes:
    7 of 9, 49 yards, 1 TD
    10 of 14, 88 yards, 2 TDs

    Watson:
    15 of 25, 179 yards, 1 Rushing TD
    3 of 10, 102 yards, 1 Rushing TD

    Kizer:
    11 of 18, 184 yards, 1 TD

    Trubisky and Mahomes with another good showing. Both guys showing accuracy and ability to make different throws.

    Not a very good game for Watson on the other hand. Missed on 3-4 throws that should have been catches for short yardage. Found Ellington open for big yardage in the first half. Nice throw to Foreman in a tight window to set up another rushing TD. With as much talk there was about his arm strength, he throws with a lot of velocity which can lead to a lot of tipped passes if not on target. Picked up a 1st down and TD on the ground.

    Will get another look at Kizer tomorrow night.
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,132
    Watson had a really bad underthrow in this game as well.

    Pass with 9:40 left in the third to Thompson I think.

    Thompson had to play defense on the DB
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now