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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Firebomb525

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    Like the majority of the ignorant crowd will care. When presented with a concise summation of events, they call bull****, yet praise Ms. Jeantel for being brave and defending her lying.

    "Why that punk ass b**** cry for help he got a gun!!"

    Because he only used it as a last resort in a confrontation, as any responsible gun owner would do.

    This trial is pointless anyway. Zimmerman will be locked up, no matter how much the testimonies back his story up.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    So far based on how the trial is going I expect Zimmerman to be found not guilty.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    You're clearly not understanding the fact that the 911 operator's instructions particularly since they are so vague are not something the prosecution will be able to use to convict Zimmerman.

    The defense will tear apart: 'you don't need to do that' -- even if it was a legally binding command the 911 operator made it a suggestion not an order.
     
  4. pahiyas

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    There was a rhetorical question as to was more law abiding.
     
  5. pahiyas

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    There was a ...
    Forget it.
     
  6. pirc1

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    it doesn't really matter if he is convicted or not, all you can ask for is a trial. Guilty people have gotten off plenty of times before and innocent people have been found guilty many times as well. It is not a perfect system, but that is what we have, so let it do its work and be satisfied.
     
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  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I really don't know what the instruction to the jurors are.

    The prosecution has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ started the fight, but they've done a better job showing that it's likely that GZ started it than TM started it. I'm not sure what the standard they have to reach is. I think this is where the key to the whole case lies.

    The forensic expert from the prosecution has done a decent job of poking holes in Zimmerman's story of having his head slammed into the ground.

    There are multiple witnesses that put Zimmerman on top and Martin calling for help in the fight.

    There's one that put's Martin on top with Zimmerman calling for help.

    There are more witnesses to go so I'll be interested to see.
     
  8. mc mark

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    Hum...

    Witness Makes Key Admission That He Never Saw Trayvon Martin Throw A Punch At Zimmerman

    On day five of George Zimmerman’s trial for the death of Trayvon Martin, a key witness who previously claimed to have seen Martin “throwing down blows” admitted he never saw an actual punch thrown. This admission from John Good could undermine Zimmerman’s claim he shot 17-year-old Martin in reasonable self-defense.

    According to the original police report, Good claimed he had seen a black male pinning Zimmerman down “just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA [mixed-martial arts] style.” But on Friday, Good told jurors he “could not see” any punches thrown, only that there was “downward movement.” He also admitted he was not 100 percent sure who yelled “help,” but assumed it was Zimmerman. It is not the first time Good has changed his account of the night Martin died. Three weeks after the incident, Good told a special prosecutor he couldn’t truly tell who yelled for help “because it was so dark out on that sidewalk.”
     
  9. Mr.Scarface

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    Really? I can post similar comments about President Obama. It is easy to find bigotry.....both black and white on TWITTER.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    the key was that TM was on top of GZ

    my guess is that it wasn't a tickle fight...
     
  11. chrispbrown

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    But the columbian woman yesterday, Mora, said that the man on top got up and started pacing back and forth, saying call 911. I think it would be hard to walk around when you are dead...
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    that was after the shot
     
  13. RockFanFirst

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    I've had Zimm at fault the whole time leading up to the trial. After hearing the testimony of John Good and now the officers, I'm convinced he did shoot in self defense.

    I still think the whole thing should've been avoided and that Zimm should've stayed in the car. But if he just approached TM and said "what are you doing around here" and TM jumped him and started throwing blows, then Zimm is justified to shoot if he's receiving blows to the head that is causing his head to hit the sidewalk.

    Zimm shares fault in this and should be punished for manslaughter. But it sounds to me as though he fired the gun in self defense (because he was getting his a$$ whooped).
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    The prosecution hasn't presented a strong case and their key witness Rachel Jaentel seems to be all over the place and not particularly credible on the stand.

    What it comes down to IMO is that the prosecution isn't going to be able to prove enough of an intent on Zimmerman's part to have this qualify as murder and under the FL's stand your ground law whether he was foolish or not to put himself in that situation isn't going to matter.

    As I've said before my own opinion is this is manslaughter but at this point I am expecting he is acquitted.
     
  15. FV Santiago

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    As I stated quite some time ago, the reason Al Sharpton and the media highlighted the Trayvon Martin death was with a goal of agitating the black voter base in Florida, a battleground state in the 2012 election. That is why Obama publicly commented on a case -- a very unusual move. This "case" is better described as a voter stunt to manipulate black voters' mindsets, and has no basis being brought before a jury. Never let a crisis go to waste, said Rahm.

    I saw this on another site, and it sums things up well.


    George Zimmerman was elected by his neighbors to be the watchman.
    His gun was legally purchased and he had a permit.
    It is not illegal to do the job the neighborhood elected him to do.
    It is not illegal to follow a stranger in your own neighborhood or anyone elses.
    It is not illegal to defend ones self.
    It is illegal to throw a person to the ground, straddle them and pound them with both fists bashing their skull against the concrete.
    Based on testimony to date Trayvon was the racist, probably, sadly, a product of his upbringing.
    Trayvon was the one who filmed his "buddies" pounding a homeless person.
    Trayvon was the one expelled from school.
    Trayvon was the one who used drugs.
    Trayvon was the one holding up the double bird in one of his gangsta posed photos.
    The Trayvon supporters are able to ignore truth and fact, they are the racists.
    The press and the prosecutor who brought murder 2 charges against this innocent person should be the ones who now pay the penalty and hopefully they will with treasure and the loss of their jobs.
     
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  16. tallanvor

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    Thats incorrect. Here is the testimony

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    HE says it looked like Martin was 'raining blows' down on Zimmerman. This witness agreed with pretty much everything in Zimmerman's story.




     
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  17. bigtexxx

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    well that would point towards self defense...
     
  18. Lil Pun

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    Wow, you really went off the deep end on that beginning paragraph.

    If you're going to bring up one person's past indiscretions, please bring up the other person's as well. Don't paint one as virtuous when they both had their issues.
     
  19. krnxsnoopy

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    Think they need to liposuction that neck.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    This part is at least partially incorrect. Martin was not the person in the photo with the double bird, right? That was the one that was said to be Martin but actually wasn't, I believe.

    Martin has no convictions of drug use.

    Zimmerman has an arrest for violence on his record.

    Martin has no police record at all.

    I don't think any of that really matters in this case.
     

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