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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. astros99

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    Number of ignorant blacks are exponentially higher than ignorant whites
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    Yeah, you can prove that. Lol at your own ignorance.
     
  3. Anas acuta

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    You can really disagree with that?
     
  4. astros99

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    Crime rates? Percentage in prison by race? Level of education by race? Clearly I can prove that.
     
  5. Lil Pun

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    Yes because no crime and having an education means you can't be ignorant. Lol.:grin:
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    Yes, I can.
     
  7. astros99

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    Feel free to state why you disagree. I'm not saying all black men are bad. I highly respect a well educated and civilized African-American when I meet one. All I said was there are exponentially more ignorant blacks than whites. Numbers don't lie. It's like that other thread where someone asked why some people feel the need to talk ghetto and less educated. Is it that hard to speak proper English? And these will be the same people b****ing that they can't get a job and need more government benefits. I mean the star witness is a perfect example. She's like 19-20 year old and can barely speak English. Sad part is she probably thinks she's the **** and is getting far in life.

    Crime rate easily directly correlates to ignorance. Say Zimmerman is found innocent and some people decide to riot. Easy example or ignorance resulting into crime. Seriously though, show some facts to back up your disagreement.

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    Numbers don't lie
     
  8. Lil Pun

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    So if Zimmerman is found guilty, he'll be considered ignorant by your logic, right since he would then be a criminal and blacks because of their lack of rioting would be the reasonable ones? Lol :grin:

    While criminals tend to be ignorant, just because you lack a criminal record doesn't mean you're absolved of being ignorant. Is it really that hard to contemplate? If you'd like to continue to post facts in an attempt to prove something that is as subjective as one being deemed ignorant, be my guest.
     
  9. astros99

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    1) Zimmerman is Hispanic not white. And like I said, I'm talking about the people as a whole. I'm sure there are plenty of cases where a black person does a crime that can go either way but they found guilty. Criminal or no criminal record doesn't state whether every single person individually is ignorant or not. But the point I'm making is that the number of blacks is ridiculously higher than the other races. That's a blatant disregard for law. There obviously has to be a correlation to that. Every race has ignorant people, but if you seriously think number of ignorant blacks = number of ignorant whites (or % of ignorant blacks = % of ignorant whites), feel free to prove me wrong. You still haven't shown anything to back up your theory.

    2) Even if he loses, many people would still probably riot out of happiness which would prove my point.

    Watch this guy on youtube--

    http://youtube.com/5723michael

    He is black and speaks his mind, and has damn valid points. I respect him for choosing to be different
     
  10. no.3 for no.1

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    One thing about that call, after the dispatcher tells him to stop pursuing trayvon, Zimmerman replies "okay" now if he actually did Is another story.
     
  11. dback816

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    I don't think you can.

    The pop culture we live in has already glorified this double standard for so long and desensitized a great number of people's attitude toward casual racism against everyone else.

    Our dear starlet witness appears to be one of those people.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Or it shows that there is something horribly wrong with our criminal justice system.

    Add that in to the length of sentences blacks get compared to whites for the exact same crime when they have the exact same criminal record.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5

    There's also been studies about discrimination when it comes to hiring among blacks.

    http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

    So basing calling one race more ignorant than another and using statistics from what may be a flawed system to back it up isn't really the way to go.

    After all we're only talking about facts and studies.
     
  13. no.3 for no.1

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    And after he hangs up NO ONE has any idea what happened, if trayvon approached Zimmerman or Zimmerman continues to follow him. I just cant see him being convicted with this he said she said evidence...does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    Because you went off on a completely different tangent bringing up crime and education. There is no need to bring it up because ignorance is subjective. Those people in the twitter posts that I quoted are ignorant, in my eyes and obviously others but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of people who think the opposite. It's like trying to prove red M&Ms are the best ones. You can't do it! I said I can post ignorant, racist comments from white people because I am assuming that texxx, Gran and the like would also view them as ignorant people as well (please tell me if my assumption is wrong guys).

    I like how you go off and start promoting stereotypes as well. There are 40 million black people in the U.S., the vast majority of whom are not criminals, based on the numbers, and I am willing to bet you don't know or haven't seen the majority of them yet you base your assumptions on perpetuated stereotypes (ex. He chooses to be different). Lol :grin: In my eyes, that makes you ignorant because you're basing your description of an entire race on stereotypes while it might be completely logical to you. Again, it is subjective, an opinion, depends on the person, etc. would you like a definition of the word sir?

    If you want to argue about race and crime and education that's fine but save it for another time because all I said was that it was useless bringing up ignorant people's comments when other ignorant people's comments could be brought up as well.
     
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  15. Lil Pun

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    I have. Thanks.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Awesome logical post. Too bad I have to spread reputation around before I can give it to you again.
     
  17. pahiyas

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    I was responding to a rhetorical question from Todd as to who is more likely law abiding. You make it sound like 911 is an ordinary outsourced call center.

    Call center dispatch is not a law agency.

    "911 professionals, often described as the “first first responder,” have special training to help callers in emergencies by gathering essential information from callers, sending the right kind of help to the right location, and in some cases, by giving instructions until help arrives at the caller’s location. They must be calm under pressure and able to take control of often-unpredictable situations.

    911 professionals are employed by a variety of local and State agencies including law enforcement agencies and fire departments, either as sworn or civilian personnel."

    http://911.gov/911-issues/profession.html

    Call center did not tell him to do anything

    911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]

    Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]

    911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    Right.
     
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    It was pretty racist of you to post all those.

    This is an emotional event, only 140 characters, I don't see you posting similarly ignorant white tweets, respecting cultures etc.
     
  19. Granville

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    This witness is killing the states case. Puts Martin on top and Zimmerman yelling for help while on the bottom. Also puts the pair on the sidewalk.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    911 are typically call centers, nothing more, nothing less. All cell center reps receive specialty training to fit their jobs. No need to glorify them and imply they have some special power.
    Additionally, 911 calls are often forwarded to local dispatch and are not always call centers.

    The whole point is there is no need trying to criminalize Zimmerman for not staying in his truck.

    This is a criminal case, not a civil case. You can point fingers all day long and try to find any reason to blame Zimmerman while absolving any wrong doings of Martin.
    All that matters is who started the physical confrontation. Everything else is circumstantial. Unless Zimmerman testifies that he fully intended to bait Martin into a confrontation, it comes down to the person who escalated. At this point, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest Zimmerman was looking for a fight.
     

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