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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

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    I don't believe that

    However, if somebody is out looking to execute a drug transaction, they might be paranoid and act aggressively if they notice somebody watching them....
     
  2. QdoubleA

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    Now TM was looking to do a drug transaction, making up things to fit your agenda. Weak tactic from someone who is losing. Try harder.
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    Zimmerman was carrying the gun... he might have been the one involved in a drug transaction.
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    ZM had all the right carrying a loaded gun and following TM

    TM obviously didn't have the right to carry $40 and a lighter
     
  5. QdoubleA

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    Shhh, no logic allowed up in here.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    very misleading

    did TM have the right to attack GZ? (according to GZ lie detector test that was passed)
     
  7. rdsgonzo13

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    According to Zimmerman, Trayvon circled his car but then ran away. That can't be stated enough.

    According to Zimmerman's own statement, Trayvon's reaction, after seeing him was to head in a different irection.

    Based on Zimmerman's own account, there is no doubt that Trayvon attempted to avoid the confrontation and Zimmerman's own negligent actions resulted in them happening.

    This flies in the face of the principles of self-defense theory. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to prevent the confrontation from ever occurring. He declined opportunity after opportunity.

    Zimmerman by the way admitted to the lead detective that he never disclosed to Trayvon that he was the neighborhood watchman. He had no explanation for why he didn't do this. He wanted to play cop and was looking for a confrontation. He got it and now he must pay his debt to society.
     
  8. rdsgonzo13

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    False. This question was never asked on the lie detector test.
     
  9. QdoubleA

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    Making up things to fit your agenda, even weaker tactic. Try harder.
     
  10. rdsgonzo13

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    So, according to you, the reaction of most rational people who value their livelihood and well-being when they are repeatedly followed by a strange man late at night is supposed to be...

    "Ahh, there's no doubt in my mind this weirdo following me is simply a concerned and curious gentleman solely interested in the safety of his neighborhood"?!

    Most people would be fearful in these situations that the stranger following them was planning on robbing or attacking them. They wouldn't think the stranger had good intentions, nor should they.

    We have no idea why the altercation started. Detective Serino disputed Zimmerman's account that Trayvon simply attacked him out of the blue and told Zimmerman he had a witness who reported that he tried to detain Travyon.

    When someone tries to illegally detain you based on 100% unfounded suspicion, you have every right to defend yourself... even if you are wearing a hoodie. Trayvon's actions stemming from a failed, illegal attempt by GZ to detain him make a hell of a lot more sense than him circling his car, running from Zimmerman, changing his mind and then turning around to find him and attacking him without being provoked.

    If Trayvon was out to attack George Z, why in the hell would he circle his car but then run away and resume on a path to his father's girlfriend's house?!

    Obviously his initial reaction upon seeing George was to get the hell away from him. What changed?!
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    Please provide the lie detector test transcript.
     
  12. mc mark

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    awesome!
     
  13. rdsgonzo13

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    "Were you in fear for your life when you shot him?" Question #1.

    "Did you confront him?" Question #2.

    That was the entirety of the test That's why the police department is under so much heat. They only asked him 2 questions related to the incident.

    He was never asked as to who started the actual physical altercation once they came in contact, was he really looking for addresses, how many times did Trayvon punch you, etc. He wasn't asked any open-ended questions, only the "Yes/No" questions above. I'd hardly call this a comprehensive examination...would you?
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    can you provide the link? TIA
     
  15. giddyup

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    No. I suggested back on about page 43 that when Trayvon had, for a time, eluded GZ he should have just gone on home. People here mocked that and harped on about how he should face off with him.

    The narrative has them suddenly encountering one another. There is no report of Trayvon saying anything like, "Hey dude, I just went out for some Skittle and tea... just trying to get home." Then produce the product and what is GZ going to do, shoot him?

    That would have been the smart, sensible, non-escalating thing to do. Instead it seems that TM chose to jump GZ. Why?

    ... and then GZ passed the lie detector test, right?

    How did GZ try to detain TM? From the narrative we've heard/read, it seems like GZ never laid a hand on him.

    NOt sure what happned there. That seems to be a new part of the narrative, at least to me. I'll have to read up more.
     
  16. QdoubleA

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    Please provide the link to this.
     
  17. Refman

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    So if I have $41 and car keys in my pocket and am over the legal alcohol limit...can you safely assume I am going to kill somebody by driving drunk if I am walking down the street?

    Still...nobody has presented any evidence that TM was engaged in any suspicious behavior when GZ decided to tail him.
     
  18. Refman

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    I would think that you had the transcript already since you were gleefully claiming specific questions that were supposedly asked during the test. So do you have it, or are you simply making it up?
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    You should really research a bit more about these examinations before you post nonsense like this.

    They must be yes/no questions and they must be specific, not ambiguous.
     
  20. vlaurelio

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    question 1 & 2 can't be answered by yes or no? :rolleyes:
     

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