Here's what I think happened based on the evidence so far. Martin was in full mount pounding Zimmerman into the concrete, Zimmerman panicks and pulls out his gun. At that moment Travyvon sees the gun, and was probably like, "Oh **** he's got a gun", falls backwards on pure natural instinct. Zimmerman still pumped full of adrenaline shoots Trayvon in the chest while Trayvon begins to back off.. Again this probably happened within less than 2 seconds where everything just happened on instinct, neither one had the time to really think about what they are doing. Though I think it's ridiculous to think that Martin was shot while on top of Zimmerman, there's no way Martin didn't even react to Zimmerman pulling out a gun. I mean seriously, put yourself in that position, you are on top beating the crap out of the guy, he suddenly pulls out a gun, 99.9% of the population would've stopped and fell backward and backed off.
^ You have to realize who you're talking to. In Giddyup's mind, he's the righteous protector of truth and justice. However, that's a problem b/c he's overly dramatic and sees things that aren't there. You see a woman trying to return a camera...he sees a potential thief. You see a skinny 6 foot, 160 lb teenager...he sees a powerful, strapping man. You see an arrest and charge...he sees a lynch mob. And when he sees this injustice, he mounts his high horse and goes to work. He's the modern day Don Quixote.
So at this point, Zim is being charged with murder 2? Looking at that photo potentially corroborating the story that Zim told in line with some(a) eye-witness accounts, is the prosecution setting themselves up for a trial that results in a not guilty a la the Casey Anthony trial simply because they are charging him with the wrong crime? Seems us Americans love us a big trial. I mean seriously, we gotta have a big one to focus on every 2 years or so.
I'm just spitballing here, but is it possible that once GZ began pursuing TM, he legally became the "aggressor" and lost the right to a self-defense argument? Otherwise, I don't see how murder 2 fits. Maybe as a threat to get GZ to plea down to manslaughter? But then again, even though GZ is charged with murder2, doesn't the jury have the right to find him guilty of a lesser crime (manslaughter)?
Boy it's a different story when you leave out the details like the refusal to return phone calls to the Girl Scouts and the passage of a month of time while in posession of someone else's valuable property that you walked off with... deliberately. Adding POWERFUL really changes the meaning-- wish I'd have thought of that. :grin: I'm referring to his treatment by the "reporters" in this Forum. All kinds of reckless accusations have been made about Zimmerman-- go browse through 180+ pages.... Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Is it really a stretch to extend that "courtesy" to a young man whom the police had still not charged more than a month after the tragedy. Now we find out that he was grilled by three different agencies. Still no charge. Then it get into the hands of a politically-motivated Special Prosecutor who seems to have made a pretty sloppy case of it according to some of the experts like Derschowitz.
Entirely possible. Prior to that it's possible according to the evidence that Martin was walking home, noticed he was being followed by somebody, then encounters him in person when the person asked Zimmerman what he was doing there, and shoves him. Then during the fight Martin gets the better of Zimmerman and what you described happens.
You have heard of guilty beyond reasonable doubt.... Without proof that Zimmerman attacked Martin first your theory won't fly in court.
Oddly enough, and I know that I'm saying this without the benefit of ever having gone through a life and death encounter myself. But I would think that while in a fist fight, when the other party pulls out a gun, a long range weapon, the first instinct would be to try to get the gun out of the other person's hand. This makes more sense logically, because there's absolutely no benefit to withdrawing in the situation. If anything, it is probably the stupidest move a person can make. In a scenario when you're going on pure instinct, wouldn't survival mechanism prompt people to immediately disable the biggest threat to one's life? Rather than putting oneself in a situation where you would fall prey to said threat? In this case, giving yourself distance for the other guy to shoot you properly.
I'm not trying to say Zimmerman is guilty. I have heard of that. My theory has evidence or proof if you like. It isn't my theory. I was merely feeding into someone else's theory. I have no idea what happened, and I'll let the court do it's job. But until it happens, I'll keep an open mind to all of the evidence.
Not really. If I recall correctly, in that thread, just about everyone disagreed with you. Actually, you did. strap·ping [strap-ing] adjective 1.powerfully built; robust. 2.large; whopping. Nope. I haven't made any "reckless" accusations yet you and I have argued extensively. So you're obviously not arguing against people b/c they're making reckless arguments. You're arguing against people b/c they think GZ is guilty. Not sure what your point is. He's getting his due process right now. The problem was that he wasn't originally charged when he obviously should've been. What's your point? The lead investigator wanted to charge him but was overruled.
I believe majority of people here believe that treyvon was racially profiled. He wasn't doing anything bad but zimmerman believed he was suspicious that's why he called him in and followed him against the advise of the dispatcher
That's entirely possible as well, I think it depends on the person really. But often you see people backing off from a potential fight when a deadly weapon is introduced, because no one wants to die.
There was a lynch mob mentality for the first week or two of this thread. First, self interested bigots argued this was a classic case of white on black racism, even posting blatantly racist articles and narratives. Then it became that the police department was racist. Then the argument was that there was no question Zimmerman used a racial slur... A number of people with an agenda posted in this thread and purposely ignored new evidence learned because they had an agenda, which really had nothing to do with Martin or Zimmerman. Having said that, this last 10 days most of those clowns have stopped posting and the discussion has been better. Not sure why Giddyup is still arguing that there is a lynch mob in this thread, haven't seen one on here lately. I disagree with some of the premise that Zimmerman had to be on top when the shot was fired, and the recent rendition of events leaked by the police are entirely in line with what I predicted 2 weeks ago, but this is not an open and shut case, and we still don't have the full picture, it is still wide open. On a side note, Zimmerman's new attorney is already better than his last at manipulating the media... The appology was made and framed for the cameras and the police leak timing was too close a coincidence, this all has Zimmerman's attorneys fingerprints all over it to try and "help" his cause when a Judy is selected.
