A lot of this comes down to that trans people are a very very small part of society. There just isn't the numbers for them to do things like wipe out women's sports or likely enough to get really meaningful stats on how criminal prone or not they might be. I do think the question of pre-op versus post-op is an interesting question and other societal questions migth point to issues that even if taking hormone therapy if just having male genetalia affects behavior.
Demons aren't real. Nor are angels. Nor is black and white objective morality. I'm sorry you had to hear these truths from a message board and not your parents.
Everyone involved in criminality has issues. A person who thinks they were born in the wrong body has major issues. They cause confusion, conflict, regret, resentment, anger, and hate. One does not overcome those issues. They persist throughout their entire life. Those issues lead to them causing harm to themselves at rates higher than other men, would it be unreasonable to expect that they would also harm others at rates higher than other men? Apparently early results show that their rates are much closer to men than women, so... who knows for sure? Don't even care. All I know for sure is that men like this guy need to be handled by the law like a man and not a woman.
So anyone with major issues is likely to be a criminal? So people who feel chronic depression are likely to be criminals? Also you say trans people are more likely to harm others than other men but then you say that their rates are closer to men? So why then would trans females be any more crime prone than biological men in general?
For the first two questions, no and no. For the last two questions, few studies... we'll see what happens. Doesn't really matter beyond perception. What matters is how the law handles them.
Perception means that there is a possibility that the media you consume will concentrate and spam these stories to you to give a false perception of frequency.
Yes the law should prosecute a trans person they commits a crime and in a case of a pre op trans female committing a sex crime I think there is a good argument for holding them in a male facility. Being trans isn’t an excuse for criminality but I’m seeing no evidence that being trans leads to being more criminal prone. I agree more study would help but as stated trans people make up such a small part of the population so crimes committed by trans people are also going to be rare when compared to the rest of the population. Any threat of trans criminals is then overblown.
Then it is problematic for a law enforcement agency to refer a person that fits that description as a woman. They can't send that dude to a men's prison if they refer to him as a woman. And that evidence might not exist, but it is interesting that the existing evidence shows that they are about as prone to crime as men. Maybe because they are men??? Details are important. Small populations are important. How you view and treat the details will be how you view and treat the whole As an architect, you know that.
I'm not an expert in the law here but it certainly seems like they could as LE makes decisions all the time about what sort of facility prisoners are held in. Except there doesn't appear to be any evidence they are any more crime prone than men. In otherwords being trans in and of itself doesn't appear to likely lead to criminality than not. Sure details mattter but you're mistaking design for population statistics. Yes if a connection in a critical area is improperly detailed that could lead to the collapse of a whole building. That is different than saying because we know that shark attacks happen that we shouldnt go in the water because of shark attacks. Shark attacks are still rare phenomena and the likleyhood of anytime you go in the water you will get attacked by shark is far less than getting in a car accident driving to the beach. Even in construction we could put it like this way. In large steel structure there are going to be hundreds if not thousands of bolts. The vast majority of bolts might be good but there is the possiblity that a few might be defective. That doesn't mean we don't use bolts or consider bolts to be bad construction because in the end there is enough redundancy that if one or even several bolts fail the structure will still stand because statistically the vast majority of bolts are going to be good. In fact in engineering tables that is accounted for. For trans people yes there are criminal trans people. That doesn't mean they statistically represent a threat to society and by your own admission no more of a threat than poeple stayign with their own biological gender. Statistically since there are so few trans people a likely insignificant threat like a handful of bad bolts in a steel bridge.
Why do you desperately keep trying to argue against yourself? You throw out this weird assumption that nobody else stated or cares about, then keep arguing against it.
Yes, but it wouldn't make any sense. It would be a lot like saying a criminal is sane and placing him in an insane asylum. Fine. It is interesting that the existing evidence shows that they are about as prone to crime as men. Maybe because they are men??? The point was that if you are careless with a few bolts, you will also be careless with welds, you will also be careless with beams, you will also be careless with the concrete, and on and on. That's why I said that you will treat the whole as you treat the details.
How am I arguing against myself? A contention was made that trans people are more criminally prone. Studies show that they aren't more criminally prone than their original biological gender.
Decisions are made all the time about where to hold a prisoner, for example Derek Chauvin is serving his state sentence in a federal facility. You cold also hold people in solitary or other ways away from the general population. In that case there is no reason to be more alarmed or afraid of a trans women than it is to be of a biological man. You cannot actually test every single bolt. In fact the ASTM test bolts to failure so the bolts actually tested can't be used. It's impossible to design for every single bolt. You have to engage in statistical probabilities that some bolts might fail. The overall number of bolts that statistically are unlikely to fail though makes up for the few that might fail. In this way worrying about and espeicially single out a small group of people as a threat is overblown if especialy if they are no more of a threat than half the population already.
I appreciate the lesson on bolts, but the fact that all of those considerations exist tell me that those little old bolts matter a lot.
We already have enough information to draw some conclusions. Men that transition into women in general commit more crime that those who are born women. However we also know that those born women that transition into being men commit an extremely small percentage of crime. Overall, the crime rate of the individual is consistent whether they transition or not. So being transgender or not has no appreciable difference in crime. If we want to worry about crime, we need to look at those born as males. The violent crime rate by males is far many times that of people born female. We have data. We know how being transgender does and doesn’t impact crime. I don’t really care if people believe it is a mental issue or not- but I would say they aren’t going anywhere so may want to get used to them.
