the extremist transgender activist use violence and attack Dave Chappelle fans Dave wasn't against them, neither is JK Rowling, they just believe that gender is real science
I don't think that discourse with someone that has a different opinion like ATW is bad. I think that the lack of discourse is part of the problem. There are a lot of people "in the middle" that only get to see two extreme positions. I can understand why someone would stop discussing topics with someone else, but I am not at that point. I do not see that is a negative. I do not believe that anything I posted or stated contributes to the oppression of transgender people. This is a topic that I have spent a long time considering, I have a lot of friends that are transgendered and I have spent a lot of time and effort to understand feminism. I live with women and I also have my own observations. If someone chooses to label me as destructive to or against the trans agenda, I will listen to them, but I feel strongly and securely about my believes. That doesn't mean I won't evolve as I still am - but most of the pushback I have gotten has been from people that do not understand my position.
No. The lack of discourse is absolutely not the problem. I disagree with you. I actively will call out what people like ATW are doing in spamming anti-trans content over and over. There is a difference. If you created thread after thread and post after post spamming every negative anecdote involving trans people you aren't disagreeable anymore. You are a person now who wants to turn these people into a pariah and to me that isn't merely "disagreeable". There is a difference between disagreement and a targeted attempt to create a pariah class. ATW isn't disagreeable. This thought of "a lack of discourse" is bullshit when you understand history. Was there a "lack of discourse" from people from all over Europe spreading "the Elders of the Protocols of Zion"? No. Giving legitimacy to the incessant spamming of anti-trans content is the issue here.
Yes, you obviously do appreciate the discussion. The best way to engender a frank and honest discussion is to make posts others of being misogynistic when they are not in any way shape or form. Your use of women's issues to simply try and attack another group discriminated against isn't helpful to either. The biggest threat to feminists, or women concerning unequal treatment isn't from the Transgender community in the slightest. For very few women trans competition might be a serious issue. It is one that doesn't have easy answers. People who try and use the legitimate struggle of either group simply to target the other are doing a disservice to anyone legitimately facing unfair competition.
First, you are obviously entitled to your opinion, but I haven't supported any spamming of anti-trans content. I have no clue where you got that from. If it is from merely participating in the thread, then you are as guilty as anyone. Second, having a discussion with another poster does not mean that I or anyone else supports anti-trans content. Debate and discussion is not completely shut down, it doesn't work that way and never has.... and hopefully never is. Second, the Elders of the Protocols of Zion, was a fake. The problem was in large part that people were afraid to call it out as a forgery or discuss that it was a forgery. As far as I know there were two investigations done, both proved it as a forgery and it was largely used through back channels in Russia, the USA and Germany. The light was never really shined on it.
Yes even the people who spread it like Nazi high command knew it was a fake. That's my point. The lack of discourse wasn't the issue. The issue was people buying into propaganda so easily. There was the Berne trials where a Jewish group of citizens sued claiming the Protocols as junk content and they eventually lost giving more credibility to the fake documents. I never called you a person involved in spamming anti-trans content. In fact I'm explicitly telling you that there is a difference between mere disagreement which is what we are doing and wanting to make trans people into a social pariah which is what ATW is doing. When someone buys into the right wing goal of wanting to turn groups like trans people into a social pariah they aren't disagreeable. They have a clear agenda and having what you think is good faith discussion with people like him only emboldens them into thinking they got people to at least buy into their narrative that it's a problem that is prevalent. That's the starting point.
I would have to know what specific posts are being discussed to know whether or not someone is a misogynist. I will say that a lot of it is very passive, and the person isn't even aware that they are doing it. The best we can hope for is that men are open to the idea that there is a lot more of it than realized and that we almost all are guilty of it. Having said that, misogynists are on both side of the aisle, so this isn't something that belongs to the left. Indeed, in many cases the right is far worse - the left though isn't immune. No one said that transgender issues are the greatest threat to women, because they realistically are not. The point is that the issue impacts more than women and there is very little discussion of that fact, and when women do attempt to discuss it, they are often shouted down. This isn't unique either, it has happened on a lot of other worthy causes. Competing in sports or competition is not near the top in how the transgender agenda impacts women. The issue with sports competion is that some like to act as if there is no advantage, when there is.
The solution isn't to ignore it or simply state it is trash. There wasn't a reasoned discussion of the topic in Nazi Germany as far as I can tell, as both the Socialists and Nazi Party relied on it because it was politically beneficial to them. I never said I agreed with turning trans people into pariah. I never said that I agreed with ATW on the issue of trans rights. I have been very critical of Governor DeSantis' positions on the top. Because I acknowledge that those born a male have an advantage in sports competitions doesn't mean I support repressing trans rights, or even that I am claiming that the proper solution is exclusion. There is a lot of latitude between thinking that transgendered people are animals and not questioning every proposition pushed by extremes in the transgender activist community. It isn't an all or nothing proposition. Yeah, I understand your point and I can only speak about myself, but his position doesn't really impact how I view the topic. I am well aware that there is a lot of room in the middle. I understand how challenging something like the idea that a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl is difficult for older people to wrap their head around.
Excuse me, but what does "I understand your point" mean when he claims: The guy called me fascist multiple times over my posts on this topic, when nothing I posted called for "turning groups like trans people into a social pariah". I can't believe you are justifying yourself to this lunatic for having a discussion with me on this topic. The guy follows me around everywhere on the board like an obsessed person, calling me fascist or Nazi and a bunch of other stuff again and again and again. I mostly just ignore it, but I can't believe someone reasonable like you would actually allow this lunatic to get you to justify yourself for having a discussion with me. It's crazy.
How am I "attacking" them. I am saying they should have a right to identify as whatever they please, except they shouldn't have a right to force themselves into women's bathrooms or compete against them in women's sports. I also don't think they should be able to claim "violence" when they are being addressed by what they appear to be (and what they were born as). None of that means "attacking them". That's classic mansplaining. You are the one saying that - plenty of women disagree, when it comes to the above mentioned topics of invading women's changing rooms and sports. I agree that it is a complex issue. However, you are disempowering women when you say "people who try and use the legitimate struggle of either group". It doesn't require "people" to voice that they don't want that - women are telling us. And you are disrespecting those women, plain and simple.
What's crazy is the amount of content about how bad trans people are you share and spend your time on in a NBA team fan message board. You are definitely a fascist. And you definitely want to turn transgender people into a social pariah with your positing behavior. You have this odd addiction to finding a group and spamming content about how they are bad. At first it was Muslims now it's trans people. It's rather pathetic.
Women are free to complain. I have no problems with that and actually believe simple enrollment for any transgender athlete that wishes to compete wouldn't be the best in all situations. However, someone complaining that isn't competitive in the first place isn't the best voice for the cause. Of all the issues facing women who are subject to all sorts of unequal treatment, trans athletes playing in women's sports isn't one of the top issues and just not that much of a priority in the struggle. Even in women's athletic leagues, it isn't a top issue. Other issues such as access to facilities, funding, equal pay, opportunities for promotion, hiring practices, and more are much more relevant. Yet, you never speak out about those issues. You don't voice support when people make sexist remarks about Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, or others. It is only on this issue. Forgive me, if I don't take your concern seriously.
And in my personal life of right wing people I personally know. The same people who spam this trans athlete issue are the same exact people who go and find WNBA YouTube content and comment about how sad and pathetic the WNBA is. None of these people have a sincere desires to protect women.
What's pathetic is you following me around spamming insane accusations which have no basis in fact. You will not find a single post from me saying "transgender people are bad" - because that's not what I think. Everyone can see that you have some kind of weird thing (I don't know if it is some cognitive malfunction or just a desperate need for attention) where you put words into people's mouths they never said, and then based on that try to project some outrage and moral superiority. You will also not find a single post of mine that says "Muslims are bad". Like many, I have a problem with the intolerant aspects of the religion/ideology of Islam. That doesn't mean I think Muslims are bad, per se. I have stated that 1,000 times, yet you make up something else.
I don't follow you around. I go to the D&D. See the daily two or three trans related posts bumped to the top and you are always there along with the regular crew like tinman That's your fault and your lack of self-awareness you need to overcome. I can't hold your hand to introspect. .
You spent 5 years on this message board talking about the harm of Muslim migrants and spamming Pamela Geller type content. Stop it. You absolutely had a long half decade agenda against Muslims and everyone here knows it. Who are you trying to fool exactly?
Fortunately, you do not get to discount women's concerns based on what you think should be women's more important issues. Again, it's classic male patronizing what you are doing here. Women tell you they do not want to have to compete against biological males. You - a male, who, as far as I know, does not have any children, or a daughter - think you get to "grade" what women's more important concerns should be. This picture tells you what actual women think. It's worth more than all your mansplaining.
Have you ever addressed a women's rights issue outside the sphere of finding a pariah class you hate like Muslims and trans people? Do you every discuss the concerns of basic equipment funding for girls sports? Any actual thing that helps women at a systemic level you people will deem woke.
Nope. I always made the distinction very clear that my problem is with the intolerant nature of the ideology/religion Islam, not with people who happen to have been born into the religion and basically ignore the intolerant aspects of it. Again, you are basically lying and putting words into people's mouths. You do the same thing in the GARM and elsewhere, people have noticed it. I am inclined to give you a pass and assume it's just because you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, but at this point, I think it's partly pathological.
And this notion that you only care about the trans issue in the realm of things like women's sports and child operations is silly considering the plethora of content where you either shared someone else's opinion that the entire concept of transexualism is a mental illness or said it yourself. Your rhetoric about "I don't care about what trans people do as long as they don't harm others" is patently false.
