how could we have missed Arian Foster's talent!?!?!?! what a stupid organization!!! signed, 31 other NFL's teams
You still being and commenting on this thread after 3 pages=MASSIVE FAIL. GTFO if you don't like what the thread is about, quite simple. No disrespect but if I don't like a thread and the direction its headed then I GTFO of the thread and ignore it. We're all big boys,
Huh? Why are you not including the Texans here? The Texans went through 7 rounds of the NFL draft without taking this guy. The Texans also decided to mess around with Steve Slaton for most of the year rather than playing Foster. Did you honestly think they felt they were getting an all-pro RB with him? So much so they decided to draft Ben Tate in the 2nd round this year? I remember both the Patriots and the Broncos talking about getting "lucky" with Brady/Davis. And that if they had truly known what they were getting, those would've been 1st round picks, not 6th round picks. I wouldn't give too much credit to the Texans brain-trust on this one. Especially with the Ben Tate pick. While Tramon Williams in of itself is not worthy of blame of the Texans organization, he is the most glaring given that he now has a SB ring as the starting CB. It's not so much that the Texans let him go, but rather they just have absolutely no clue as to how to obtain quality secondary play. How damning is it that the Kubiak/Smith era's by far the best DB be a Casserly pick?
"No disrespect but" = logic fail. "GTFO" is disrespectful. That condescending pic you put up is disrespectful. Anytime you're about to type "no disrespect but" or "with all due respect", you can pretty much be sure that you are lying to yourself. I will comment on whatever thread I please whenever I please, including the epic drivelwhine found in this POS thread. Finally, I understand why you would respond defensively since you started this thread, but my commentary wasn't even aimed at the fact that the thread was started, as I don't blame you for missing the three-page argument in the other thread. It was aimed at the ridiculously bad argument being help up, and repeated ad nauseum, by otherwise really sharp folks around here. In other words, chill brotha.
by the way, did anyone even answer this? because the argument from the other thread (and a couple smartalec oneliners from me) ensued almost immediately. The Texans probably cut him to give him a chance to catch on with another organization. It is a common thing in the NFL done as a courtesy to guys--rather than put someone on your practice squad that you don't have room for on your 55, you give them a chance to catch on with some other organization. As I understand it, he couldn't catch on with any other organization and ended up on the Packers' practice squad.
Yah, I kinda know what the meaning of "no disrespect" is and with the rest of my post I think the use of " no disrespect" wasn't so much me lying to myself but rather my trying to soften the blow to you upon reading what I wrote which would then in turn disrespect you. Not exactly a logic fail if you use those words with a purpose in mind. Couldn't really care any less if it was disrespectful but felt I might as well lie to you. Don't quite know where you got the "lying to yourself bit" but oh well. Feel free to comment in any thread(not like you need my permission) but as stated, if you dislike the way a thread is going then it doesn't make much sense to me for one to remain on said thread whining about it but whatever, that's cool with you. I do understand the reasoning for your comment now though as you disagree w/the argument or logic being used by some on the thread but I feel they're entitled to discuss why they feel the logic in their argument is correct and others who disagree with their argument can then explain the flaws in the argument and hopefully a common or middle ground can be found. In other words, let's all chill.
I appreciate the answer. It's also not done mainly as a courtesy to catch on with another team. If the team feels the guy is not up to scratch then it's just a cut. If they catch on with another team then so be it. As far as I know, the Texans didn't say or indicate that they cut him so he'd have a chance to catch on with another team on their 53. They just cut him. (Maybe someone else has the 411 on their motives at the time).
I wasn't upset. I rather enjoyed dropping those one-liners. Sorry, but I've *heard* this, directly from coaches and GMs, on more than one occasion. It *is* a common practice. It's also common in MLB.
I've also spoken to other coaches and GMs and have relatives that participated in various NFL training camps within the past 2-3 years. Not saying cuts aren't made with the intention of given the player an opportunity to make another teams 53 but thats not the sole reason the cuts would be made. I hope I didn't misread but it looked to me like you wrote that the Texans probably cut him for that reason and my response was that as far as we know the Texans didn't clarify why they cut him. It could have been for that reason or it could have been simply they thought he was ****. What I'm equally interested in is not so much that they cut him but that he wasn't deemed worthy of a practice squad place? It's not as if the Packers signed him onto their 53. I believe they signed him onto their practice squad. Oh well. Who knows if he would have developed to the point he's at now under the Texans tutelage and from talking to a couple of Packers safeties and comparing their thoughts on playing under Perry,Capers and McCarthy to a few Texans defensive players I know, I can't say I'm thoroughly convinced that Tramon would have developed the way he has if he had remained with the Texans and played under Rhodes, Bush and Capers. Sorry for the thread but sometimes it's fun to imagine what would have happened in certain situations. No guarantee it would have worked out the way it did in the other instance but oh well.
We've essentially said the same things up to this point. Like every other cut, they cut him because they thought the 53 they were keeping were better fits at the time. A couple here even remember the Texans speaking well of Williams at the time of the cut. But you're missing the point. They cut him, rather than sign him to the practice squad, to afford him the opportunity to catch on with another 53-man squad somewhere. Heck, a lot of times guys even *request* to be cut rather than signed to the practice squad. They want a chance to suit up. Understandably. It is not a damning decision at all when you realize dude didn't catch on with anyone else's 53, either. But at least he was given opportunity. And that's been the point in this discussion, too: odds are, dude does *not* develop as well here, b/c we've had crap for coaches and not much as far as talent to surround him, either. eh, I never had a problem with the thread.
4 players on the Packers' 2 deep secondary were either NDFAs or street FAs; 3 of them were signed in '09 or later. Maybe they're just better at it?
