on a side note, if houston trade yao, please trade him to gsw. we can even release damiper, or heck, how about entire gsw team for him? yao is soft, please do trade. truly good thing for houston. marketablity is not an issue, too many ways to share the revenue in private.
Hmm, what is your definition of a Team? Let’s try this exercise, Is your concept of a team the rockets organization? Who bleed you dry nickeling and diming you every game you attend whether it be overpriced parking, crappy fast food and year after year raising ticket prices so that their wallets will get fatter out of your expense. Or is your concept of a team Rox management, who sit are their rears making a few calls each year and take the glory of getting lottery picks? How about the TC, is that your team? An over budgeted complex that can’t seem to draw any fans and probably going to be paid directly or indirectly by taxpayers for years to come. No I don’t think any of the above is your concept of a team? Right? So what is the “Team” that supposedly I’m not supporting in my main preposition? When it comes down to the Team I’m assuming your talking about the “players” right? And not all players right? I.E. getting rid of Pike, Nachbar, Wilks wouldn’t be earth chattering to your team concept. So what it gets down to is the Team concept u mean must be the starting core players of Ming, Cato, Cat, Sf3, and Mo? But does that mean that anything we do to break up this core of players is detrimental against the “Team” concept. How can that be? If they continue struggling year after year like they have in the past to move to elite status, fans on this forum demand trades and this core to be broken up. So this core is not untouchable, and can’t really be the “Team” your talking about. So lets break it down one step further. Out of the 5 is Ming the main concept of the “Team” your talking about. Nope that can’t be the case that will make you a YOF, something that you despise and show with disdain. Right? So what do we have left as the concept of the Team you imply that I do not support, well there’s Sf3, Cat, Cato and Mo, all relatively established there before Yao and I guess u can say the veterans on this “Team” These guys must be the Team your talking about that I don’t support, for it can’t be individual players becus that would either make u a SOF, COF, etc etc, But wait a minute here, am I not supporting this concept of the Team you greatly defend by my main preposition of trading Ming this offseason? Is it not the case that by trading Ming the Rox can get 2 or 3 quality players or high draft picks to reinforce these core starters (Cat, Cato, SF3, Mo) position and add a great amount of depth to Rox organization all by giving up just one guy who’s trade value now is much higher than the other theme going on. So again is this the concept of the “team” your talking about with great dedication? Or do u think the “Team” is actually the Mascot Clutch the Bear or how about the cheerleaders? So in the end I am in fact supporting “the Team concept” that u greatly defend. Too bad U can’t see that it is perfectly clear.
I can see people don't agree the trade idea, but why bashing it so hard. If Yao continue his slump in playoff, I am sure many people will start to realize this thread is not totally unreasonable.
Think how many national tv exposure that we will have without Yao. National TV = Big Bucks! Unless you are agreed to pay Les huge amount of $$$$$$$, Huston will never trade Yao. Be realistic ,Junior.
Yao Mings performance depends on whome we play. If its the Kings then Yao Ming will be given only cursory involvement. If its the Lakers JVG will pressure for Yao Ming involvement. If the Refs called 50% of the fouls committed against Yao Ming then we wouldn't think he had a slump because he would never score below 20 pts. For the Rockets sake I hope he has great games in the Playoffs.
We just got in the playoff.......Why so many freaking trade Steve and Yao threads? What's wrong with you people? !!! Can't you just let me enjoy that for a while?
Why I proposed this is, right now Yao’s trade value at the end of the season will be at the highest level in terms of risk to the Rox than at anytime in the future i.e., getting the greatest number and quality of players for him without getting burned on a max contract for Yao or risking a season of 1) Yao not living up to his potential of 20 and 10 in year 3 which would obviously kill his trade value and 2) injury (no explanation warranted), and 3) Yao’s development in the NBA will greatly improve being out of the shadow of Hakeem and Sf3 and 4) Houston going back to traditional WC offence with a lot more depth. Ok, where to start. 1) We've got Yao locked up for 3 more seasons after this one, so I don't really see how a max contract is of any concern today. 2) Yao's trade value is currently minimized by the fact that he only makes $4.1M. Since we're over the cap, we can only get back 115% of his salary ($4.7M) in a trade. Now, unless you're advocating that we not only trade Yao, but also burn our Trade exception in the deal, tell me what players you're going to get that will help us more than Yao and who's combined salaries are less than $5M? 3) Yao's trade value would be killed if he didn't average 20/10? That's simply ridiculous. Do you realize that there are only 5 guys in the whole NBA that averaged 20/10 this season? So, if Yao isn't one of those guys then he has no trade value? I don't think so. After what Yao did against Shaq this season, he'd have great trade value next year even if his individual numbers fell. Yao already averages 17.5/9, so 2.5 extra points and 1 extra rebound is a huge difference in trade value? That's just silly. 4) How does Olajuwon have any effect on Yao? Yao is in Steve Francis' shadow? Where did you get these ideas from? JVG has been pretty clear that this team revolves around Yao, not Francis. I'm still confused over the Olajuwon reference. I've never ever heard anyone try to make the argument that Yao's development is being inhibited just because Olajuwon use to play for the same team. That's a pretty weak argument. Maybe LA shouldn't have signed Shaq because he had to play in the shadow of Mikan, Chamberlain and Jabbar. 1) Remember everyone in the NBA has already attached this stigma on him that he is a mentally weak player, lacks aggression in going deep and stays away from physical contact. That's a pretty broad sweeping accusation isn't it? Show me where people are saying that. I can show you a ton of articles where players, coaches and writers talk about how much Yao has improved in his strength and physical play. People were beside themselves complementing Yao about how he played tough and physical with Shaq. If he does not achieve a minimum 20 and 10 season in year 3 given that the excuses are removed (we get a quality PG who can give him the ball consistently without turning it over) his stock in the NBA will drop like a stone and by that time if the Rox would consider a trade they won’t get anything in return equivalent to what they will get this off season. Drop like a stone? That's just stupid. Sorry, to be blunt, but there's no other way around it. Big guys are always overvalued in the NBA. As I said above, Yao's numbers could go down and he'd still have huge trade value. After season 2 Yao has averaged 4 point game improvement than his rookie year and has substantiated himself that he could play at a equal or higher level to the best centers in the WC which consequently has raised his stock considerably mainly by matching against the so called best players of WC conference than anything else. But his play of the last 3 weeks has deteroited to the point that Houston may not be able to afford going an entire year 3 with Yao still at 17 and 9 taking into consideration his trading potential now (off season) juxtaposed to what it will be at end of year 3. Do you think about this stuff before you write it down? First of all, look at his numbers over the last 3 weeks. Three weeks from today is 3/22/04. Since then Yao has played 12 games and he's averaged 17.83pts/game, 9.3 reb/game., 2.5blk/game. Every one of those numbers are above his season average! So, you're argument is that Yao had great trade value, then over a three week period he improves on his season average in pts, rebounds and blocks and somehow he's in danger of killing his trade value? Nice logic. Even if Yao's number had gone down over 10 or 12 games, it wasn't going to undo the whole seaons worth of positives. So, Yao has shown over the course of the season that "has substantiated himself that he could play at a equal or higher level to the best centers in the WC", but because his numbers are down over a short stretch, all of that is out of the window? A season of MINIMUM of 20 and 10 and many believe something much higher is absolutely an expectation for Ming in season 3. Anything less (barring injury) would be a huge disappointment to fans let alone his trade value. That’s why this off season is the trade deadline for Ming to get the most out of the trade for the Rox. There you go with the magic 20/10 mark again. So, then am I to assume that no big guys except Shaq, KG, Randolph, Duncan and Jermaine O'Neil have any trade value? Houston centers in the past that Yao has always being compared to is Hakeem who the majority have already claimed to be more greater, more athletic, agile and faster than Yao. Who's comparing Yao to Hakeem? Hakeem was greater, more athletic, agile and infinitely faster than Yao, but what does that have to do with Yao? It's not like we have to choose between Yao and Olajuwon. Yao will probably never be as good as Hakeem, but so what? Should the Bulls just fold up the franchise since they'll probably never have a player as good as Jordan? Houston in the past along (when Sf3 was the undisputed franchise player) with the majority of WC teams now, are run and gun teams, Sacramento, Dallas, San Antonio, Minny etc., where Houston now (because of Yao’s style or lack of) having to do a 180 degree turn to accommodate their slower low post center. You are showing that you know nothing whatsoever about the Rockets. The Rockets haven't been a running team since John Lucas' 2nd stint with the team back in 1986. We won 2 championships with a half court offense, we followed with more half court in the Barkley years. Even with Francis, we haven't run because Francis can't lead a fast break. Trading Yao with the players that Houston can get for him would allow the Rox to go back to their traditional ways with more weapons and depth for that type of offense to work consistently. Our traditional offense is a half court game where the offense runs inside out. How would trading Yao help us do that? Who are we going to get for less than $5M that would help us do that better than Yao? Even with Yao on the team Houston absolutely has no depth, the reason why they are so inconsistent all season and the collapse of play at the end is that the starters have to play the majority of the game to even have a shot at winning coupled by the fact of JVG’s defensive doctrine, the starters get worn out game after game -look at the season ending games the defense practically disappeared. The reason that we are inconsistent isn't that the players are tired. It's the fact that we have a roster full of wildly incosistent players. It's not like we're fading at the end of every game. Just as often, we come out flat, dig ourselves a hole and then make a charge at the end and barely lose. 3) And finally let’s face it, this will always be SF3 team, no matter if he plays for Houston or whether he gets traded. Why? Like this forum there is the entrenchment of two views in the Rox team, those that support Yao as the leader or SF3. The core group Cat, Cato, Mo have all been led when SF3 was there than Yao having only nachbar. The other players are either neutral or leaning one way or other. Even if Sf3 gets traded, if the Rox do not perform as to peoples expectation (whatever they may be) next year he will get dogged on why they had to trade SF3 away. Playing under the ghost of Hakeem and Sf3 would be too bitter a pill than to play for a team that has sets its mind as to who the franchise player is and build the team around accordingly. There’s too much loveloss with Sf3 being in Houston for 5 years now than Yao. Yao only 2 yrs can be easily forgotten, there isn’t the emotional attachment of trading Ming now than Sf3. This might be your worst argument of all. There's a huge sentiment to trade Steve in Houston. It's on this board, it's in the papers and it's on the radio. You rarely ever hear anybody suggest trading Yao. 1) If traded to Chicago, for the 1st rounder and some supporting cast as many have suggested, (preferably I like New York) Yao will be in the East where he will be able to quickly accelerate his development. His biggest games of the year highest points (41 and 37 against Atlanta and Orlando respectively and 20 -20 vs Detroit) have all been against the East, which will only get better by playing for an EC team. He played some great games against WC teams but in terms of development having to play the prolific number of games in the WC where practically every team has major depth and talent, like to run the ball intensifying Yao’s weakness (slowness) Yao has shown repeatly he cannot sustain the intensity of 82 game schedule of high level play, playing exclusively in the WC. Having gained the very important experience of WC ball for 2 years, Yao against inferior Eastern conference teams, will have more energy and stamina to develop consistency in his play and also being the so called undisputed “Franchise Player” will have more than enough opportunities to make the mistakes that he would have to make to reach the next level. Moreover being the undisputed player either for NY or Chic there wouldn’t be any second thoughts of passing the ball to him or getting enough touches, whether it be Houston fans, announcers or Roc coaches having to b**** and whine for the team to get him some rocks. Nuff said. He will kill the East. There are other things that benefit Ming, the question of larger market more fame and money, larger Asian community is easily understood in NY, Chic or even in lowly GSW ( a WC team I know) but they will have a sellout every game whether or not Yao dominates like Shaq or not. Houston crowds are so small (why?) (even with 2 so called all-stars on the team and let’s say the opposite of loud. I would like to see him LA but I do not have delusions that LA will give up neither Kobe nor Shaq now (barring injury) for Yao now. They will wait and see if He becomes a MDE before they will make any move. So a trade at the end of this season or near the beginning of next season would but be a win win for both sides. The Rockets might be more interested in the benefits to them instead of Yao. Houston can get a lot more players by trading Yao Now than they would SF3 this off season and add a lot of depth to their lineup that they sorely lack even with Yao, and Yao will play and lead (or learn to lead a team) a team without the ghosts of Hakeem and Sf3 barking at his rear.. Let's see we can get back about $12M in players for Francis and $4.7M for Yao. So, how is it better to trade Yao again? Tell me who the Knicks or Bulls are going to give us that will make us better and have a combined salary under $4.7M? Come on Houston make the better move, it’s clearly the better choice and makes more sense. Why don't you propose a trade with NY or Chi,that both works and gets us closer to a championship.
Next week, there will be a thread saying Les is considering selling the team high after we won the first playoff game in 5 years.
I thought registration was still off...how did this troll get thru the doors? It is obvious by reading the big steaming bunch of crap that passes for his posts, that he is just here to stir up trouble....I know this will fall on deaf ears...but how bout if everyone ignores the delusional rantings of this moron...maybe he will go away. Dont forget to vote.....now where is that damn zero rating at anyway?
yao will be on for the playoffs. he works on 2-3 week cycles. 2-3 weeks on followed by 2-3 weeks off. hes been bad for the past 2 weeks. come playoff time, yao will be dominating.
Yes, the Rockets should trade their only chance for future success. Great idea. That way we can have five more years in the lottery! I can't wait!
We just got into the playoffs for the first time in 5 years (Probably the biggest factor being Yao), and you want to trade him. I dont know why all these people start these stupid threads about trading Yao or SF. Let them be, stop the bashing atleast till the season ends. If somehow(however unlikely) we get out of the first round, this idiot is gona be the first one to say "I love SF and Yao, I have supported them the whole season."
