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Trading Tmac for Kobe?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by battousai, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. earth

    earth Rookie

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    Alex is very mean, why he doesn't refuse the luxury tax? this is the chance for him to get rid of a big contract. Mavs are lucky, Cuban is absolutely a NBA basketball fan, but Alex is totally a businessman, very annoying.
     
  2. abcdef

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    AK was sitting in a corner crying. Giricek is not a ferocious defender. Fisher is almost 8 inches shorter than McGrady. Harpring is slow. None of them should have been able to contain McGrady; yet they did.

    McGrady didn't have to expend effort on defense, while Yao took Utah's best player, plus Yao had to deal with 7 games of nonstop hacking, pushing, etc. under the basket. On the perimeter.... hand check = foul.

    Of course none of this matters. The Rockets lost. But you're somehow trying to make McGrady sound heroic in this. He wasn't. He played mediocre, as Yao did, the role players sucked, and we lost. The whole team is to blame.

    We're way off topic though. The topic was whether we should trade McGrady for Kobe. If the trade is straight up, I'd do it; I would also trade Yao for prime Shaq or prime Duncan. Simply put, I'd trade McGrady straight up for a superior player.
     
  3. tmac&Yao

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    :p GOOD POST! YAO has the potential to dominate the league.It's just a matter of time.But not many people can find YAO's potential,what they want to see is only slam dunk,so they think YAO is soft.What a pity!
     
  4. doublehh03

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    how did i make tmac more heroic? tmac played the worst playoff series of his career. i'm just sayin' how ppl say yao is "hands down" the best player at his position and i'm sayin' maybe he's hands down b/c the position is so weak.

    amare 1st team? howard 3rd team? these players wouldn't sniff the all-nba team 10 yrs ago let alone make the all-star team. so yao is "hands down" the best is not like kobe is the best SG in the L.
     
  5. xianwind

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    Does it work?
     
  6. apocclass

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    mcgrady dropped like 44 on utah in the regular season when yao was out... yao stagnates the offense. i honestly believe the rockets would have won if yao played less and mutumbo played more.
     
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    I LIKE BIG LETTERS
     
  8. Alvin Choo

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    you guys are saying that kobe was the devil and tmac was the angel. They are the same in my eyes. Kobe a ball hog? same goes with tmac when he was in orlando. Kobe was a rapist? tmac just had a court case some 2 months ago, or is that 1 month. Kobe was a team spirit killer, tmac have a bust up with his COUSIN!!!

    when kobe was in better company, look at how he plays, in all-star games and the USA team. he was not looking for his shots, while the best thing about him is that he is still going to do deffense.

    About the rox team for kobe suggestion, tmac trade for kobe straight up. There is no need to include fillers except maybe sura, jl3, reed and a 1st round draft pick just to sweeten the trade.

    i love what tmac is doing, but we need a winner, a leader on the court when the game is tight. Yao is still too nice, and too turnover prone now, while tmac on most nights when he is not "feeling" it would look for another player to hit the last shot. Head was actually our clutch player during the regular season.
     
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    The Rockets would have averaged even fewer points, and Mutombo would have been owned by Boozer as badly as Yao did.
     
  10. Yaozer

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    do you go to UH? and do you go to the MSA a lot this month?
     
  11. doublehh03

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    tmac avg 5.5 assists for during his last 3 yrs in orlando. kobe the last 2 yrs has not avg that much despite having a more fluid offense w/ the triangle.

    tmac's highest shot attempt was 24. kobe's highest shot attempts is 28 :eek: :eek:

    tmac never had any of his players diss his selfishness or him as an individual. kobe as REPEATEDLY been called selfish (from coaches AND players of his OWN team) and been called a "bad human being"--by shaq.

    tmac only went off on one individual in his career--that was the orlando GM weisbrod. kobe has gone off on many people.

    and the lakers would not want tmac straight up. kobe right now has as much hype as anybody. HOWEVER, if kobe bryant puts up an ultimatum saying, "TRADE ME TO HOUSTON NOW or i'll **** games up on purpose," then the lakers will trade for tmac straight up. let's face it. it's a business. the rockets have so many talented pieces, why just want tmac? u can make the lakers a contender if u trade kobe + plus any of their big men for tmac + james/francis + scola/battier.

    u put them on the lakers and u have:

    PG - james/francis/fisher
    SG - tmac/evans
    SF - battier/odom
    PF - scola/odom/brown/radmanovic
    C - whoever left

    that is a contending team (or at least better than they were w/ kobe).

    like buss said, i'll trade kobe for the right pieces. houston would be ecstatic to be in the discussion and thus would end up giving up a lot for kobe.
     
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    IF you noticed, boozer struggled MIGHTILY v. deke in that game where yao was missing. MIGHTILY. boozer would have been fouled hard w/ deke's elbows if he tried any of those dunks he did on yao. also, deke wouldn't play more than 20 mins and u can go small and put tmac/battier on okur.

    and we scored like 100+ pts in that game.

    i'm not saying we would have won, but defensively, we would have matched up better. offensively we might have not since they'll double/triple tmac and rafer/head/juwan would suck like usual.

    but if hayes was on boozer full time, i GUARANTEE you boozer would not have gone off.
     
  13. abcdef

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    That's BS. The only thing Deke does better than Yao is rebound. He is even slower than Yao, not as big or strong, and at this point Yao is a better shotblocker. If you look at 82 games, during the series Yao gave up a PER or 12.6 while Deke gave up a PER of 19.5. Yao is a better defender than Deke at this point. Deke would have been eaten alive by Boozer.
     
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    that game where we beat utah 100-86

    boozer scored 15 on 6-13 shooting. again, deke is SLOW yes, but u think nobody respects him? his elbows alone scare most players.

    and if u READ my previous post, i said deke wouldn't play more than 20 mins a game and that hayes would have more of a responsibility guarding boozer.

    u don't think hayes can guard boozer? he blocked boozer like a b***tch when he guarded him a few times in game 5.

    and no, deke would not have been eaten alive by boozer. he would have elbowed boozer first b4 he gets dunked on repeatedly like yao did. TRUST ME ON THAT. boozer would not dunk on deke one time.
     
  15. abcdef

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    Explain to me then how he gave up a PER of 19.5 (league average is 15, BTW) during his limited time in the series. If he's only playing 10 mpg he should give his all on D for those 10 mpg, right? Apparently his all wasn't that good, and combined with the fact that we were struggling to score meant that he'd get very little minutes and that Yao would play heavy minutes.

    Deke had started to fade by March, and by April he was horrible. Two years ago he had a huge impact in the Dallas series, but this time around he had nothing. Playing him more would have been a very bad decision.

    He didn't contain Boozer effectively in the 10 mpg he played, how do you expect him to guard him in heavier minutes? Besides, putting him on would mean that Okur would be freed from the responsibility of guarding Yao, which would lift his scoring average back up to the 17-18 ppg range he's accustomed to. So we take a 25 ppg scorer out of the lineup, put in someone who can't guard Boozer either, and simultaneously allow an opposing 17-18 ppg scorer to perform up to his average.
     
  16. DOMINATOR

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    i don't know about the whole deke stopping boozer... he would just go outside and shoot a jumper or draw deke out and have deron attack for a layup.

    what it would have done was give yao a breather for the final quarter. it would have also given the rockets a different offense to throw at the jazz instead of the pound yao down low. rockets could have pushed the ball with yao out and score more in transition by not letting the jazz setup their defense.
     
  17. doublehh03

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    again, it's up to les and morey to decide what they want.

    they've accumulated enough talent right now on this team that they can make a run at kobe. they can give the lakers SO MANY different packages that the lakers can actually listen. the only downside is houston is in the west.

    what houston can offer the lakers, i believe, is so much better than what other teams can.

    bulls - gordon + deng + possibly thomas
    dallas - terry + howard + filler
    suns - marion + filler

    now the rox can easily trump those with:
    tmac + francis/james + battier AND scola for kobe + vlad + evans + brown/bynum

    i think if the rox offer THAT deal, the lakers WILL bite. the lakers solve their PG AND PF woes while adding a superstar + the best role player in the L.

    the rockets get the best scorer to go with the best center.

    again, if the rockets want to go after kobe, they def. can be the frontrunners. it all depends on what morey and alexander wants. if they feel tmac can only take them this far, i say pull the trigger. if they still believe in tmac, i feel this year tmac will reward them.

    but again, it ALL depends on what the front office wants.
     
  18. doublehh03

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    oh my goodness. did u see what deke did for us when yao was out? the reason deke sucked near the end was b/c he logged so many minutes in the first 20 games or so. he got tired near the end and b4 yao's return.

    so that's why if deke played 15-20 mins a game, i feel in that amount of minutes he CAN contain boozer. boozer would not penetrate deke. if boozer wanted to score, it would ALL be on jumpers.

    but the main responsibility for guarding boozer would be on chuck hayes, who i think can slow down boozer. when hayes is on boozer, we can put battier on okur. okur has very little post game so i don't care if okur is fresh (for not guarding yao) and shoots alot on battier. he won't win games for utah.

    but then there is juwan howard. we can put him on okur if we want to and thus that wouldn't alter our perimeter defense w/ battier and tmac guarding whoever.

    howard i believe could have played 35 mins a game in that series.

    but again, the D is for naught if they still suck on offense like they did.

    again, don't get me wrong. we would have a better chance to win w/ yao but i don't know why JVG did not use deke much just to give boozer another look. or use the howard/hayes combo and give a smaller lineup so we can run.

    i thought he overplayed yao. yao should have played around 32-33 mins a game in that series, which would make yao fresher and we could have contained boozer easier.
     
  19. newstart

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    Are you talking about one REGULAR season game? You think it can represent anything?
    By your logic, I can use game 1 of the PLAYOFF series to prove how good Yao defends Boozer, but the fact is Yao did a bad job defending Boozer.
    Buddy, no offense, but all your posts are about how bad is Yao, or how good is TMac. More constructive posts for the ROCKETS will be appreciated.
     
  20. DOMINATOR

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    good post.

    you should be upgraded to member for that post. even though you havent been here long.
     

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