You're being overly generous with your evaluations. Against the better teams with all-star caliber pgs, Brooks is consistently outplayed. In January alone, he was outplayed by Nash (twice), Bibby, and Billups. And you can make an argument that he was on par with Rose and Parker.
LOL. Facts or Assumptions or pure BS? 1. There can only be 2 or 3 all stars among guards in Western Conference. Let's see: Nash, CP3,Dwill,TP, Billups,Kobe,Roy, which one is not better than AB? And you can find tons of guards who at least on the same level. AB was considered as a possible all star replacement, by who? Barkely or you? In the end, Cris Kaman on a losing team made the list despite all those guards injuries should tell you samething. 2. top 20 scorer? That's very much debatable. Mike James had a better scoring season than AB in Toronto, and you build around him? Flip Murry can score 20 points easily if you make him the first option, Ricky Davis could score a bunch points easily if you made him the first option. You build around them? 3. AB is not close to a star. See #1, Many team have more than one player better than him. Who would trade a superstar for a role player AB? 4. not " almost every PG" anymore? You know you made false claimes. Many nights AB can't even outplay Lowry.
Also, GM like Daryl Morey looks not only at today, but what the roster will look like in coming years -- particularly when there's a realistic scenario where we may hit the reset button after next season. A good GM projects performance and looks at costs and salaries for today and tomorrow. Don't punt man, take on the question. I think this is legit discussion where there can be reasonable arguments for both sides, and with multiple approaches to the issue.
Ahh, somewhat of a punt, but this gets to my point. Everyone loves them some AB at a rookie contract. Everyone probably loves them some AB at a MLE contract. But once we start talking about a real contract, everyone sees that there's an opportunity cost of having an AB be a key player on a contending team.
The question is an utter waste of time.... Why bother? Morey will make the decision and we can look at what he is doing, there is no reason to speculate on trading away a player or how much we should pay him until the time comes and that question is relevent. To me, it is far from relevent, it is a rebuilding year, he is top 20 in the NBA in scoring at 19.5 ppg, has started roughly 70 games. Is the team's best player, enjoy the ride. Why worry about it? If they trade him they trade him, but I doubt it will happen. DD
Yeah, of your list of options either the MLE or probably no more 8 mil. Though considering Morey, for all we know, he could lowball Brooks. He did in a way to Landry and it took a RFA offer from the Bobcats for him to finally agree to an extension/price with Landry, and also something similarly to Wafer(Hmm Wafer, another pure scorer, not much defense, ast, rebs,etc.) Back to the point, yeah I'd say probably no more than 8 mil. But I'm not a GM.
Humor me with my waste of time. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. You're a big fan of AB and I'd really like to know your views on what his performance is worth. Remove some variables and unknown and say AB is a FA this summer. What do you think he's worth.
This is just not true. First his + - is not too high because he's starting with 3 inept offensive players in Hayes, Ariza, and Battier. Second, I went through the last months' games of AB's counterparts and here are their points scored vs their FG %: (last # is assist) Jrue Holiday 10 pts 2-5 fg 3 Lou Williams 9 pts 3-12 1 Mike Conley 4 pts 2-8 5 Stephen Curry 14 pts 6-18 4 Steve Nash 11 pts 2-10 16 Andre Miller 2 pts 1-6 3 Chauncey Billups 21 pts 7-16 4 Mike Bibby 11 pts pts 4-9 3 Kirk Hinrich 12 pts 4-13 7 Tony Parker 22 pts 8-17 10 Brandon Jennings 25 pts 9-24 7 Rafer Alston 17 pts 7-10 2 Jonny Flynn 9 pts 3-13 6 Raymond Felton 5 pts 2-7 4 Chris Duhon 8 pts 3-8 4 Steve Nash 26 pts 11-16 12 Derek Fisher 4 pts 1-4 2 Chris Paul 28 pts 9-21 9 Only 2 of 18 PGs shot over 50 % against AB (and one was Rafer who was obviously sticking it to us in Totota Center)....You'll notice a bunch of low scoring and even lower FG % among these players. If you call this 'costing us points' then hell I'll gladly take it! I didnt take any assist #s into account (time), and you can obviously argue that AB might not have been guarding these players the entire time, but I think this gets the main point across: AB is <b>not </b> a horrific defender at all. Far from it.
No. I will enjoy the ride, and when his contract is up, or Morey makes him a restricted free agent, we will discuss it then. Because honestly, he has not peaked yet, so how do you guage value as it is ascending? DD
I'm about with you on the $7-8MM for AB. If I'm building a team, I'd be willing to allocate $7-8MM/year to AB for the +++ scoring punch he brings to the table. But that's a far cry from a No 1 or No 2 option, and probably less than a No 3 option on a contender.
No offense, but omitting assist numbers makes your analysis worthless. You're essentially saying that Brooks can be 10 ft away from his man, and if his man misses the wide-open jumper, then Brooks has played good defense. Worthless.
I was trying to take out the variables by asking you his value in today's market, with his current production history and how you might project growth into the future, as a GM would in signing AB as a FA.
You Brooks haters will be regret in two years when Brooks becomes more better, consistent and experienced than this year. You're insane if you think his ceiling is low. It's his 1st year as a starting pg and his name is on the all-star charts, before Rafer traded last year he was just playing 10 minutes per game. That means in 65-75 games he became from double zero to double hero, and you say he's not gonna be good, huh? I wouldnt trade him straight for Devin Harris though, Brooks is young, talented, maybe not better than Harris, Cp3, Deron but he fits this team better than any of these guys.
So the fact that his opposing counterparts shot a combined 84 / 217 for 38.7 % over a stretch of 18 games does absolutely nothing for you ? Of course assists play a part, but surely you can't just completely overlook this?
IMO, his main weaknesses are his height, his court vision, and his ball-handling skills. Of those three, the only area he can improve upon is his ball-handling. That's why I think he has a low ceiling. He's almost reached his potential.
Correct. Your analysis proves absolutely nothing and deserves to be overlooked. For instance, let's say that Nash beats Brooks off the dribble. Nash gets into the lane and draws help defense from Scola. This help defense gives Stoudemire an opening; he cuts to the basket, and Nash passes it to him for a dunk. B/c your analysis ignores assist numbers, it would register this as "good defense".
Cool stats. But if you look at games, AB gets beat quite often, but Hayes etc. rotates to help him quite often as well, that often leaves some weakness under Rockets basket.
