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Trades The Rockets Should Consider Before The Playoffs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ABS, Feb 11, 2017.

  1. ABS

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    So, Gordon and Anderson are different player and you based it on the fact that Gordon can create his own scoring and Anderson cannot?

    Well, listen carefully: Ibaka can create his own shots, too, just like E. Gordon can. Why settle on less when you can get more?


    Anderson is a complimentary piece to Harden?

    Listen carefully: Ibaka can serve as a bigger complimentary piece to Harden, and a real advantage there given they are former teammates and have more playing time together than Harden/Anderson.


    You said Anderson is not the most impressive player, and that you agree he's overpaid, and that he cannot create his own offense but SOMEHOW I'm just not seeing this mysterious "impact" he brings to the Rockets??

    Can any Rox Fan decipher this silliness because he's right, I cannot argue against stupidity contradicting stupidity ----- that's like a guy fighting against his own consciousness of Good and Evil. Im speechless, and is as much a spectacle to see this stupidity knocking itself against stupidity.....how can you argue against stupidty?


    And again, his 40% on 3s "MADE" is mostly coming when the game is already decided. Just like I explained. Or against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Unless you can show me clips of the top 3 teams from the West Conf. and East Conf. where Anderson was converting on his 3s against those teams' starting 5 units at 40% (coughs). I only remember one good game where he was making his 3s consistently against top teams: GSW.

    If you strip out the minutes he played against the 2nd and 3rd stringers and the minutes he played when the game was already decided (a loss for us), his 3s would be something like 28% to 30%. THAT'S HIS TRUE EFF/ACC rate "against the top-echelon teams, and their starting 5 units." So, don't get it twisted what I'm saying. I was clear about it from the onset.


    And I'm laughing at this notion that when Anderson is not left open, "he changes the spacing of our offense."

    Lololololol!!!

    He does nothing but attempt to drive it to the basket. But being so slow, his man quickly cover grounds on him and thwart his path to the basket where Anderson then stop and try to double fake his man in the air to create a foul and shot. But being so embarassing and predictable, the Defender is able to bite on the fake; jump and come back down without fouling Anderson.

    And out of desperation, Anderson gives a last-ditch effort to get the guy to foul him again by leaning in him, leaning back...hoping the guy jump again but he doesn't.

    And a desperate-looking Anderson just look AWFUL, all of a sudden, and out of sync with whatever the hell he's trying do and finally give up the ball by passing it out and suffer in his self-humiliation and PATHETIC performance. Just god-awful pathetic, man! He's a joke for sure.

    You will NEVER see Ibaka put on such a weak display of skills and trying to create spacing for a shot. Please don't make me laugh by bringing that up about Anderson' game, man. Hahaha...smh.


    As to the rest of your drivel about me getting clowned by you and whoever else, I leave that to our peers to decide. I don't care. I stand by my argument. Anderson sucks. And I respect your rights to disagree.
     
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  2. BigMaloe

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    Yeah I was typing mine up while you were submitting yours haha. Practically said the same thing.


    I just think he's a casual fan starting to get much more interested in sports and NBA specifically. He is likely younger and likes the highlights and flashy play, some thing that is not Ryan lol. Probably why he likes and mentioned Kj earlier..
     
  3. Haymitch

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    Interesting. Do you have stats to back up these claims or is it just based on your memories and feelings? I missed the evidence if you posted it earlier in the thread.

    ::EDIT::

    Damn, I wish OP would have shared these stats with me. How was he able to get Anderson's "TEUE EFF/ACC rate against the top-echelon teams" at 28-30%? How did he know it wasn't only 27%, and how did he know it wasn't as high as 31%? And how did he confirm that Anderson only makes 40% of his 3s against bench units it blowouts? That would be really cool to be able to track and could really elevate basketball discussion here.

    I wish to learn OP's ways but he will not acknowledge me. I'm sure he isn't just basing this on his feels; there has to be some rigorous work behind it. And damn I'd love to see it.
     
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  4. Kim

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    Sorry for being off-topic, but I clicked on your sig links and just read and saw some insane videos. I'm still confused, lol.
     
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  5. BigMaloe

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    First of all Ibaka cannot create like Gordon. He creates like Ryan would. Through face up and post up moves. He is more efficient at it than Anderson for sure, but Ibaka can't hold Ryan's jock strap when it comes to volume distant shooting.

    And I freaking love Ibaka and have been on the Ibaka train for a long while.

    Besides the fact you think Ibaka is a 4 in this system your confusing Ibaka Vs Anderson with ibaka OR anderson.

    Anderson isn't going anywhere.

    And I understand now that you don't understand offensive Philosophy and spacing. You don't understand how much more efficient 4v4 is compared to 5v5. You don't understand having no players in paint area besides the center (or switch defender after a PnR)

    When your entire team is at the 3pt line and the one player who can't shoot is setting a screen at the very top of the key/3pt line, imagine where the defense is? All parked by the line to defend their man.

    That's why it's so easy for Harden this year, he's going against single defenders rather than multiple defenders.

    Serge loves mid range and as a 4 he would have to be parked outside. Not his game at all. Knows who's that is? You got it again, Ryan.

    As a 5 he is amazing in this offense. He can run PnR or PnP and park at the 3 removing the center from the paint also.
     
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  6. Daddy Long Legs

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    your life will change a lot when you're out of elementary/middle school and teachers force you to back up your claims. I hope you go to college and are forced to write argumentative pieces at one point because this is just not the way. I honestly don't even know where you are getting these numbers from lol. This is insanity.
     
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    I stopped giving you credibility after this statement. Wiltjer may make it as a 3pt specialist but I couldn't disagree more about his ability to produce at Dekker's level.
     
  8. ABS

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    Your life will change for the better when you stop acting like a juvenile and butt-hurt because someone don't like "your boy." Do better, fella.
     
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    In D'Antoni offense, man. In D'Antoni offense. He could be a better productive player than Dekker.
     
  10. Daddy Long Legs

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    Anderson isn't "my boy" I just recognize what he brings to this offense. If you think you are smarter than Morey, Dantoni, and Harden that's fine but throughout this entire argument you have veered off course every which way. You keep making this argument about things that it isn't about.

    I'm not even opposed to making a trade for Serge Ibaka. I'm undecided and weighing a lot of factors on that decision right now. I just don't think Morey would make that trade at the expense of Ryan Anderson.

    I'm very open to being wrong and people disagreeing with me. I just don't think you know how to put together an argument. I've only been a poster for a couple months but I've been lurking since the late 00s and I can't remember anybody just making up stats out of thin air like you are trying to do in your argument.

    If you think it'd be smarter for this team to give up anderson + a first round pick instead of Harrell + fillers to make the salary work than I'll just say that I'm happy you aren't the one in charge.

    I'm out of this thread now. I'm gonna go be butthurt and juvenile and go drinking with "my boys"
     
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    Here you go Mr. Clown:)
     
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  13. ABS

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    Look man, don't sit there and act like you're some Guru at Basketball ---- do you know me? Of course you don't. You act like the D'Antoni offense requires a Master Course to understand. Haha....did you ever play organized baskebtall??

    Who you told you about "Offensive Philosphy and Spacing"?? Did you read about it or play in such a system? Anyone with an ounce of basketball sense would know a given style of offense when you eliminate the traditional 4 spot and make it intercheageable with the 5 spot to create spacing for an offense based on the defense' reaction.

    It's Read and React, and players will see that when the traditional PF is at the perimeter as Shooters. The floor is wide open for opportunities which is why you need a disciplined and matured PG to run an offense like that.

    I could run rings around your feeble-understanding what you think that offense is. Which angle of the court is best to initiate the D'Antoni Offense?

    A.) In the middle at the top of the key
    B.) Inside to a frontcourt player
    C.) At the elbow of a half-court setting


    Why is someone like Capela and Nene always at the top of the key with the ball? Explain the science of that?


    I regress though. This is not even a basketball debate. You're trying to challege me intellectually and think you gonna win that, too. Smh...silly.

    You know what though....since you said you love Ibaka' game and even admitted he's better than Anderson, my debate with you is over. That's an intellectual decision you didn't see coming, huh? Hehe. Thanks for your input and your very "intellectual commentary", sir. Byeee.
     
  14. BigMaloe

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    perhaps this should've been everybody's response from the beginning lol
     
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  16. Os Trigonum

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    and this

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  17. ABS

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    Here you go, Clown:


    Rox vs. Cavs: R. Anderson' Performance by the Quarter

    1st Quarter:

    8:10 missed 30 ft 3 pointer
    6:05 makes 24 ft. 3 pointer
    4:52 miss lay-up (PATHETIC....smh)
    4:50 miss lay-up (again! Smh)


    2nd Quarter:

    7:31 missed 3 point
    6:09 missed 9 ft jumper
    2:54 missed 15 footer
    1:05 makes 27 ft. 3 point (against 2nd unit)



    3rd Quarter

    9:53 makes 25 ft 3 point
    5:30 missee 26 ft 3 point
    4:30 missed 5 footer


    4 Quater:

    2:17 (Game was already decided (our loss)....notice Anderson didn't come into the 4th quarter til the 2:17 mark? And this was against 2nd and 3rd stringers)

    makes 3 point. (game already decided, we loss)




    So, as we can see against a top echelon team, when we need his 3 point shooting, its not there. When its against the 2nd unit or when the game is decided, he miraculously start making his 3s then. Like he did in that Cavs game at the 2:17 mark of the 4th quarter....EXACTLY WHAT I SAID about him hitting 3s and padding his stats in a losing effort.


    Now, who's the Clown. ThIs is evidence in most of the top teams we play. Anderson don't come alive enough for us to stay in the game. We need better. Simple as that!

    That's where Ibaka comes in. He wont be missing lay-ups two times in a row, seconds apart.

    I think Anderson role is best suited off the bench and we should trade for Ibaka....even if they want Anderson. You give him up. Ibaka is that much better.


    Again...who's the clown, now??
     
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  18. rocketsballin

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    if you know whats good for you then you wouldnt watch them again and never talk to anyone about what you saw. not for the faint hearted. and not for the garm. make another trade thread, we need more
     
  19. Pen15clubber

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    This passive aggressiveness is making me sopping wet
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    I wanna see Perv and ABS in a cage fight
     

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