trade w/ jets, u think we can still get reggie at 4?

I said the same thing about about DJ last year...

 

why would the jets trade all the way up to one when all they have to do is trade up one slot to pretty much guarantee leinart or VY?

 

Well, it's rumored that the Jets really want Leinart, and the only way to guarantee that is to have the #1 pick.

 

Well the Jets are going to be in the process of reconstructing Chad's contract so they don't hav to cut him. I still believe they take a QB though becuase after 2 surgeries on his throwing shoulder he is almost done and he won't even be ready for the start of this year according to some sources.

I doubt they want VY and would rather go with a Cutler or Lienart. There are a lot more teams that would take a standard pocket passer then take a QB like VY that runs also becuase these offense has to change a bit to adjust to that type of QB. If that QB gets hurt and the backup is a pocket passer that completly changes how the offense is run. We have seen that in Atlanta when Vick gets hurt. VY is a huge talent but there are a lot of factors that go into picking a QB that is not a pass first QB or should i say a pass only QB.

 

In a word,"NO"! Bush will be off the board in the 1st 3 picks.

 

D brick would make our running game even better than what it is now, plus make David Carr marginally if not a whole lot better. I like the pick, if we can also pick up Abraham and/or 3rd rounder that Casserly doesn't blow to kingdom come.

 

IMO it will take a whole lot more than the #4 pick and a 3rd rounder to get our #1. I think they'd ask for at least 1st round picks this and next year, a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

Man, you would be letting them off easy. I would want JA, their first and their second - at least. I would love to get either Brick, Bush, Williams or Hawk. Also, with 2 high seconds we could move back into the first to pick up another great player.

 

I wouldn't give up the first pick unless a future #1 pick was included.

If we're not trading for a guy like Abraham, then I want a 2nd and 3rd this year, if we are out of the top 10.

If we trade with someone and move no later than 5, a second rounder and next years 1st would suffice.

 

I think the only way we move down is for a top 5 this year, and second this year, and either a starting caliber player in a position of need or a future first next year.

 

no team would pass up on Bush, even the jets

other teams might pass on VY for reason, right now he is overhyped but a commodity..Bush is the real deal

plus martin isnt young anymore,..NO trade take the number one...this year is diff ..there are a few franchise players

 

I doubt Bush would last past 3 because he is the marquee player for a team needing an RB or a splash factor. Too much talent (upside) and immediate attention (hype) for drafting a player like that, even if he has some decent questionmarks for being an every-down workhorse.

For the TexansL

-to move from #1 to #2 (NO), I'd want their 3rd.

-to move to #3 (Tenn), I'd want their 2nd or future #1--not going to happen given the rivalry factor though)

-to move to #4 (likely get Dbrick, possibly VY or Bush), I'd want their 2nd or future #1, plus maybe a 4th

-to move to #5 (likely get Mario Williams, possibly Dbrick or VY), I'd want their future #1 + plus this years 3rd

-to move to #6-8 (likely get Hawk or Davis, possibly Mario Williams or VY), I'd want their future #1, plus this years 2nd.

Honestly I think it would be real interesting to see the Texans go from like #1 to #4-5 and then #4-5 (say if Dbrick is gone) to #7-8, then take Vernon Davis (1st pick) plus oddles of extra picks this year and next (build the D and OL and #2 WR). Considering the Texans already have a good RB and great return man, I am not sure Davis doesn't open up the offense every bit as much as Bush does at a fraction of the contract cost and a lot of compensation also built in. Davis or Dbrick seem like great choices for moving down.

 

I would love to have Vernon Davis.

If we could package a multi-team deal and get Brick and Davis, I could forget all about Bush.

 

I'm sure any team would take a package that nets them 2 Top 10 picks, but it won't happen.

If we trade the pick, I don't want to see us fall out of the Top 5, there is too much talent that is guaranteed in the Top 5 picks (Bush, VY, D'Brick, Williams, Leinart, Hawk, Davis).

 

I know, but I can dream can't I?

 

Have you ever looked at a trade value chart? I was suprised to see what it would take based on the chart to move up to number 1. Look at the Giants/Chargers deal, they gave up the number 7 (I think) and future 1st (Merriman) and a third in the draft when they got Rivers. I think our pick has more value because of the level of the top 4 players - Bush, Leinart, Young, and Brick. I would take nothing less than a top5 this year, a second this year, and either a good starter (JA for example) or a future first. I think the real prize for alot of teams is Leinart. He is more NFL ready than VY. VY has more upside, but ML can probably be effective next season. If we were to trade to 4 we could certainly end up with our choice of Bush, Brick, Williams, or Hawk. Of the teams at 2,3,and 4, none need a RB at all, and ALL need a QB. The Titans (I think) would either choose a QB or Brick at 3. No way NO doesn't take a QB, there is no other way for them to get one. No FA is going to NO, it is a terrible situation there because of the owner and the unfortunate situation due to the hurricane. That doesn't mean another team may not move up to snatch Bush.

 

The Chart

A drop from 1 to 4 would yield the value of two second rounders and you add add about a 4th round pick per pick you drop down til 8 or so.

We need to research which of the top 7 teams has the most picks in the top
132 and just take them to the cleaners.

 

The charts definetly have to be used with a grain of salt because it depends on the talent involved and the leverages of the trading teams.

For instance Eli (#1 overall) went for #4 (Rivers) + 3rd + future 1st + future 5th. One year Detroit got a 2nd rounder just for swapping #6 (KWII) for #7 (Roy Williams)--all so Cleveland assured themselves of Winslow (the chart would have said only a 4th, not a 2nd as the cost). Basically those charts would have way underestimated the cost of moving up when elite talent was on the board and teams had the sights on specific players they absolutely didn't want to lose.

Thus with great top end skill players in terms of marketability and talent/upside--Bush than ML than VY as the possible 1st picks (in that order), it is going to take a lot for a team with #4 or #5 to get the guy they for sure want. I'd want next years #1, this years second plus a little more to swap in that case (say swap #1 for #5).

Actually add Cutler in there. With Bush, 3 QBs, DBrick, M. Williams, Davis, Hawk--as long as the Texans would move down past #7 or #8 they can still get a great player 1st off the board (no worse than Davis, M. Williams or Dbrick) and signed at a fraction of the cost of the overall #1 and a boatload of other picks for 06 and 07 (also to be signed cheaper).

 

Two VERY HIGH 2nd rounders. It's going to take a the #4, #36 and next year's first if the Jets want to move up to #1. I can't see us dropping any further than that.

 

My ideal scenario is to trade down with Jets. Then trade down again from pick 4 to pick 6-8. With that pick, assuming D'Brick is taken, select Mario or VDavis.

Stockpile as many picks as you can...this is a great draft to have extra picks.