Sounds like a pretty good idea - it would be great if they took Juwan instead of Stromile though. I still haven't given up on Stromile Swift yet.
rpr52121, I think we would be in very good shape if we ended up in the position that you mentioned although it's unlikely. Who would you take as a PF with the 4th pick? A guy like Bargnani who is talented but raw or a solid guy like Shelden Williams who probably isn't going to be a star.
At 4th, ur probably taking whomever is left from thomas, aldridge, or bargnani. Probably to be able to be productive off the bench, Bargnani is the best bet. Tyrus Thomas could be another stromile or could be better. Thing I still remember when Stromile played for LSU, and he was more consistent than Tyrus, but I think Stromile had at least an extra year to mature. I like Shelden Williams, but I keep feeling that your looking at a finished product. He will be productive whereever he goes, but in 3 years, he'll probably be the same player, maybe a bit futher shooting range. These other three could be better than that in 3 years. If we can't trade the pick, I would be fine drafting him and using the no. 32 pick on pure shooter. then you still sign butler and v-span.
i know this is off topic, but did anybody see how cuttino played last night against the nuggets? He COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN CARMELO AT THE END. and the man can hit his shots. I'd LOVE to get him back, or atleast a player of his magnitude. but yeah, of all the players that have been mentioned in this post, I haven't been to crazy about them. I like JJ but that probably is not going to happen. and I do like Shelden. but that is all.
Actually I was very impressed with Livingston, he looks like he's gonna be the Clips pg of the future, which means the Rockets might have a real shot at Sam Cassell when he becomes a fa
http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/114577603043530.xml Guard Smith awaits inevitable trade Second-year player says he's just eager to get back on court Sunday, April 23, 2006 By John Reid Staff writer OKLAHOMA CITY -- After going through the final team-related event of the season Thursday afternoon, Hornets guard J.R. Smith said he's all but certain his two-year stint with the team is over because of his strained relationship with Coach Byron Scott. "I don't think I'll have to ask for a trade; it's going to be automatic," Smith said. "I would like to go anywhere; it doesn't matter if it's a losing team. I just want to be out there to help on the court." In February, Smith and Scott publicly disclosed that a rift had developed, and they were not on speaking terms for nearly two months. At the time, Smith thought Scott had taken it personally for not playing him regularly. Scott said Smith's demotion was a result of his immaturity, poor work habits and lack of improvement since his rookie season in 2004-05. During the final two months of the season, they appeared to co-exist without having much contact besides game-related matters. However, Scott spoke bluntly Thursday about Smith's deficiencies during the season. "All the things we talked about (that he needed to improve on), he never really did those things," Scott said. "He might grow up one day, but from a coaching standpoint, I live in the present. I need guys who can help right now. When he grows up and starts playing, I might be in the stands somewhere with somebody else coaching the team." Scott said he won't begin evaluating the season with General Manager Jeff Bower until Monday, so they cannot say what players they might consider trading later this summer. In February, the Hornets had a trade deal worked out that would have sent Smith to the San Antonio Spurs for veteran guard Brent Barry. But the deal wasn't completed until five minutes after the trade deadline, and the league didn't approve it. "I wasn't disappointed, because I wanted to finish out the season with my teammates," said Smith, who played in 55 games and averaged 7.7 points this season. "But it's been a tough season. At one point, you're at the highest of highs and everybody's looking upon you to be the leader, and then the coach pretty much disowns you. It's hard to play like that." At his season-ending meetings, Scott said he told Smith, Arvydas Macijauskas and Kirk Snyder that there are three shooting guards on the team, and two of them will not be back next season. Scott's criticism of Snyder and Macijauskas was as harsh as it was of Smith. "Kirk did an excellent job for a while, but consistency-wise he went straight downhill," Scott said. "Arvydas didn't know the plays after going through it every day, and that was very disappointing. You have to know the system, and he never grasped it. We need someone we can count on every night at that spot." When Smith was asked if anything off the court caused his relationship with Scott to deteriorate, Smith said he couldn't think of anything. "If I'm traded, I won't be mad, because it's a business, and that's what happens," Smith said. "But I'm going to Houston to spend the entire summer there to work on every part of my game, so there won't be any excuses." . . . . . . . Since he's going to be in Houston already working out all summer, let's just do the guy a favor and trade for him so he doesn't have to move very far. .....and Brent Barry sucks. If that's all they really want for him we would be very wise to go after this guy. I think a draft day trade makes the most sense. Draft day trades happen early in the off-season, long before a very uneventful, boring summer in which New Orleans might realize they could get more than the like of Brent Barry calibur players or our second round pick from the Knicks for him. My question is: do you think the Knicks second rounder would be enough to get it done? If the second rounder wouldn't be enough to get this done I would consider trading down to get him. If all our main targets in the draft are taken it makes sense to consider trading down our pick (8-9 most likely) for Smith/12-13 overall pick.
I don't think the 2nd would be enough to get it done. I like the trade down idea though. Especially if we could still snag Redick. Smith and the 12 might be too much for our 8. Maybe our 8 or 9 for their 15 and JR. JR is going to be a really good player in this league. He just need a chance.
I'd definitly be willing to trade both our draft picks (8 and 32) for Smith and one of their first rounders (12 or 15). Then I'd pick any one of these guys who would likely be avaliable in the mid-first round: Sheldon Williams, Marcus Williams, Randy Foye, Rando Rajon, Redick, Mardy Collins, or Ronnie Brewer.
Great idea! The Hornets move a guy in JR Smith that they dont want and get to move up in the draft, perhaps so they can take center, Patrick Obrien. The Hornets desperately need a big! He seems like a good fit there. The Rockets move down and get a talented swingman in JR Smith plus keep a decent pick. They still could get a decent role player at 12 or 15. Nice trade idea m_cable, I am on board with that one!
what about trading Stro to Phoenix? Man Stro would be crazy there, with that system. If the SunsGM can see it,we might be able to get a package of James Jones and Leandro Barbosa.
any takers on j.r. smith??? OKLAHOMA CITY -- After going through the final team-related event of the season Thursday afternoon, Hornets guard J.R. Smith said he's all but certain his two-year stint with the team is over because of his strained relationship with Coach Byron Scott. "I don't think I'll have to ask for a trade; it's going to be automatic," Smith said. "I would like to go anywhere; it doesn't matter if it's a losing team. I just want to be out there to help on the court." In February, Smith and Scott publicly disclosed that a rift had developed, and they were not on speaking terms for nearly two months. At the time, Smith thought Scott had taken it personally for not playing him regularly. Scott said Smith's demotion was a result of his immaturity, poor work habits and lack of improvement since his rookie season in 2004-05. During the final two months of the season, they appeared to co-exist without having much contact besides game-related matters. However, Scott spoke bluntly Thursday about Smith's deficiencies during the season. "All the things we talked about (that he needed to improve on), he never really did those things," Scott said. "He might grow up one day, but from a coaching standpoint, I live in the present. I need guys who can help right now. When he grows up and starts playing, I might be in the stands somewhere with somebody else coaching the team." Scott said he won't begin evaluating the season with General Manager Jeff Bower until Monday, so they cannot say what players they might consider trading later this summer. In February, the Hornets had a trade deal worked out that would have sent Smith to the San Antonio Spurs for veteran guard Brent Barry. But the deal wasn't completed until five minutes after the trade deadline, and the league didn't approve it. "I wasn't disappointed, because I wanted to finish out the season with my teammates," said Smith, who played in 55 games and averaged 7.7 points this season. "But it's been a tough season. At one point, you're at the highest of highs and everybody's looking upon you to be the leader, and then the coach pretty much disowns you. It's hard to play like that." At his season-ending meetings, Scott said he told Smith, Arvydas Macijauskas and Kirk Snyder that there are three shooting guards on the team, and two of them will not be back next season. Scott's criticism of Snyder and Macijauskas was as harsh as it was of Smith. "Kirk did an excellent job for a while, but consistency-wise he went straight downhill," Scott said. "Arvydas didn't know the plays after going through it every day, and that was very disappointing. You have to know the system, and he never grasped it. We need someone we can count on every night at that spot." When Smith was asked if anything off the court caused his relationship with Scott to deteriorate, Smith said he couldn't think of anything. "If I'm traded, I won't be mad, because it's a business, and that's what happens," Smith said. "But I'm going to Houston to spend the entire summer there to work on every part of my game, so there won't be any excuses." http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/40164/20060423/smith_calls_trade_automatic/
I would be all for this. If we could pull off a deal like this we essentially walk away with two first round talents (Smith and whoever we select).
Among all the trade talks, I like this one and the one for Childress most. And these actually make sense.
