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  1. withYAO

    withYAO Member

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    Trade that guy. As soon as possible.
     
  2. JustWannaChill

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    ROFL, registered with a name like that and start saying r****ded things right away in order to make Yao's fans look bad. You are making yourself too obvious though. Only idiots would believe what an idiot like you is trying to do. Looks like your hate is actually not on Yao, but on his fans. Why would you come over to the internet to hate on the fans of a basketball player? You are definitely an interesting object for a research project in human psychology.
     
  3. All Souled Out

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    You can't just look at numbers, Manu Ginobili is one of the deadliest players in the playoffs.

    He'll take it hard to the hoop, he'll take his bumps, he's got a great attitude, and he's won 3 Championships. He's everything McGrady is not.

    I wouldn't do a straight up trade since Manu obviously benefits with playing next to Duncan and Parker. But to just pull up his statistics, and judge him on it is ill-informed.

    Besides, the salary cap makes this trade way too difficult. It would have to be something ridiculous like:

    To Houston:
    Michael Finley
    6-7 SG from Wisconsin
    8.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 24.3 minutes
    Robert Horry
    6-10 PF / C from Alabama
    3.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 13.5 minutes
    Manu Ginobili
    6-6 SG from Argentina (Foreign)
    20.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 29.8 minutes

    To San Antonio
    Aaron Brooks
    5-11 PG from Oregon
    2.5 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.8 minutes
    Tracy McGrady
    6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
    24.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 36.9 minutes

    With the Pistons, and Mavericks benefiting the most.
     
  4. withYAO

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    Can you see the topic of this thread? T Mac is a selfish person and he will never be a great player, as is known to all Orlando fans. I think you make T Mac's fans look bad.
     
  5. JustWannaChill

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    What??? Will you call me a TOF in your next post? LOL. Come on, what you are trying to do here is crystal clear. You are a fan of no one. Only a fool would believe that you are really a Yao's fan. People here are not stupid. Your problem is that you have given yourself away by being TOO obvious. I have exposed you in my last post. Wanna read it again?

     
  6. DudeWah

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    I suggested the Trade of T-Mac to chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon, and Tyrus Thomas a few days ago when we lost to Philly
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    .....but I got labeled as crazy....and a Tracy hater
     
  7. ChrisBosh

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    You are NOT going to get three young up and coming players for a guy like T-Mac!! Not going to hsppen.

    The guy has back issues, he's not aggressive, lost a step, likes to take jump shots, AND makes MAX money.

    If you want an awesome article about where McGrady is at, read this:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/12/13/mcgrady.rockets/index.html

    Control issues
    McGrady-dominated Rockets aren't real contenders
    watched the Houston Rockets build a 16-2 lead on the Toronto Raptors last Sunday at the Air Canada Centre. Tracy McGrady, a big small forward or a very big shooting guard -- it doesn't matter at this point -- was a free-flowing wonder, an unguardable 6-foot-8 athlete with speed, quickness, ups and perimeter shooting ability.

    Then I watched it all come apart. McGrady started missing and, when it was all over, he had hit only one-third of his shots (7-of-21). None of his teammates could get in a rhythm. Steve Francis, who started at the other guard spot, took only four shots. Small forward Shane Battier didn't attempt anything but three-pointers (he made 3-of-5). Center Yao Ming, who played a team-high 38 minutes and had a size advantage on everyone (no surprise there), was just OK with 15 points on 5-for-10 shooting. Backup power forward Luis Scola looked like he had wandered onto a basketball court for the first time in his life. And the Rockets went down 93-80.

    After the game, the usually even-tempered Yao went off on his team's lack of toughness, taking care not to except himself. (He is always a stand-up guy.) "I hate this game," he told the Houston Chronicle. "I hated it. It's all on us. Us. I'm one of us."

    The next night, after a 100-88 loss in Philadelphia, Yao was steaming again. "When you are soft yourself, everything will feel tough," Yao said. "It's not because they are so tough. It's because of how soft we are. It's weird that we changed that quick. I never had that feeling. I feel like they traded me to another team, a new team I've never been on before."

    No, Yao, it's the same old team. And the more I look at a McGrady-dominated team, the more I see one that cannot be a championship contender. I'm not basing this on one early-December road trip, of course. On Wednesday night, the Rockets beat the Detroit Pistons 80-77 despite an unimaginably horrible night from the free throw line -- McGrady missed all five of his attempts and the team as a whole was 6-of-22. The win put the Rockets at 12-11, and I fully expect that they will be battling for one of the mid-level playoff spots in the tough Western Conference.

    But a championship team? I don't see it. I'll try to get beyond the fact that McGrady always -- always -- looks like he's coasting. Appearances can be deceiving, of course, and it's the worst kind of ivory-tower analysis to sit at a press table and proclaim that a guy isn't giving his all. So let's leave it at this: If I were a Houston coach or player, I would like to see the franchise player look mad enough to spit nails once in a while.

    The main issue I have with T-Mac is the almost total control he has over the Houston offense. Everything is fine when he has a big night and hits, say, 60 percent of his shots, as he is capable of doing. He can get to the basket, he can hit the mid-range jumper and he can make threes, so he can beat teams by himself. But in the long run, one player doesn't beat teams by himself, certainly not other playoff teams.

    The most obvious comparison for T-Mac is to the Cleveland Cavaliers' LeBron James, who, like McGrady, is either a big small forward or a very big shooting guard who dominates the offense. But James, with 7.9 assists per game compared to McGrady's 5.5, is a far better passer. And when someone dominates the ball on offense, he had better be able to get to the free throw line. James shoots 11 free throws per game, compared to McGrady's 6.7. McGrady can be creative with the ball, but far too often he makes his passes when he has exhausted every other option to score. That makes it difficult for his teammates to find their own offense.

    Obviously, much of the Rockets' future success depends on how well McGrady and Yao can mesh. The jury is still out on that. This is the fourth season that T-Mac and Yao have been together, but McGrady missed 35 games in 2005-06 and Yao was sidelined 34 games last season. In '04-05, the one full season they played together, McGrady took 26 percent of the Rockets' shots and Yao attempted 15 percent. So far this season, Yao is at 19 percent and McGrady has taken 23 percent.

    But Yao, in my opinion, is hurt less by McGrady's domination of the ball than others. Yao gets his touches largely on predictable set plays when it's clear that the Rockets are going to him; it's the other guys who can't seem to find a rhythm on a McGrady team.

    In his two (mostly) healthy seasons in Houston, McGrady has taken 26 percent ('04-05) and 23 percent ('06-07) of the Rockets' field goal attempts. In his six championship seasons with the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan took an average of 26 percent of his team's shots. But Jordan was a far more accurate shooter than McGrady. In Jordan's worst percentage year of those six (46.5 in '97-98, the year of the Bulls' last title) he still shot more accurately than McGrady did in his best seasons (45.7 percent, which he accomplished twice while with the Orlando Magic).

    That is not to suggest that McGrady should be Jordan. (Nobody else is.) But James shot 47.6 percent last season while taking 24 percent of the field goal attempts for that inferior Cavs team he dragged to the NBA Finals. Kobe Bryant -- does anyone seemingly dominate the ball more than he does? -- was a 46.3 percent marksman last season while attempting 26 percent of the Lakers' shots. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, not a guard but someone who does work for his own shots, took 21 percent of the Mavs' field goal attempts in '06-07, hitting a career-high 50.2 percent in his MVP season.

    The point is, all of the above great scorers play within a system. Do they take over at times and shoo the lesser lights to the wallflower section of the court? Absolutely. But they do so with greater effectiveness and efficiency than McGrady does.

    McGrady's dominance of the Houston offense isn't exactly a new subject. He addressed it himself after the Rockets' loss in Philadelphia (although he brought Yao into the conversation).

    "It seems like a lot of teams have figured us out now," McGrady told the Houston Chronicle. "Double-team myself. Double-team Yao. They do that, and that puts the onus on the other guys to make plays. It's not happening. ... We don't know what to do. It's been going like that the past few games. Maybe I need to start [games] not making shots and pass the ball so they could single-cover everybody."

    Well, maybe. For the most part, McGrady is either on the ball or calling for the ball, and far too often his teammates don't know what move he's going to make. That leads, ultimately, to inconsistency and, in this opinion, continued early playoff elimination.

    But he's good enough that I'm willing to be proved wrong.
     
  8. Laoyi

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    You are crazy not because you were a Tracy hater, but you ocerrated Tracy's trading value by 200%.
     
  9. Laoyi

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    Why do you think it is the Houston curse, not T-Mac curse? Did Orlando win when T-Mac playing there? I now believe there must be a reason for a "superstar", who has not been able to get out of first round in for over ten years.

     
  10. Blake

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    maybe it's a Yao curse. 5 years and counting. TMac only started for 7 years. Yao has almost caught up
     
  11. DudeWah

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    You would be surprised by what a desperate team would do for a player who is widely considered one of the top 3 in the league. Plus what most of you don't understand is that Ben Gordon failed to sign a contract extension with the Bulls indicating he may have other interests, (although this may not be the case, as a franchise you can't hope but worry) so why not get some "great" value for him while you can? I think throwing Hinrich and Thomas in there as items of value is a price they would be willing to pay.
     
  12. Storm Surge

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    what if we traded T-Mac for Josh Howard, Devin Harris, and Brandon Bass?

    You think the Mavs would do that?

    I think our lineup becomes a lot better

    Harris
    Bonzi
    Howard
    Hayes
    Yao

    Battier, Alston, Bass, Scola off the bench.
     
  13. yogagreenstone

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    :confused: Tracy is still smiling...
     
  14. wolfsheep

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    Something has to be done soon. Either RA or Tmac should be gone.
    BTW, I hate to see Tmac's smile after such an embarrassing game. He has no hope to win any more.
     
  15. vcchlw

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    I can't see anyone would want T-mac considering his contract, except may be NY. Maybe we can get Jamal Crawford and Jared Jefferies from them. I don't know if the salary works though.
     
  16. russian88

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    Tmac is a cancer
     
  17. startt

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    SO DO I……………………
     
  18. francisfan4l1f3

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    If i were the coach T-MAC would hate me!! He needs to be called out!!! where are the nuts on this team? someone get in his face and tell him he is not allowed to shot jumpers and can only drive to the basket with under 5:00 minutes left !! Hustle, Run do something!! TRADE HER ASS!!
     
  19. deeperblue

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    Every time when the game is close near the end of the game and when T-Mac takes jumpers, I feels scared. His poor shooting percentage.

    And a lot of times he just take jumpers carelessly. When game is close, he needs to understand that he has to stop GAMBLING on his jumpers. Go to the hoop. And practice so that he can shoot better FT!

    He is heartless most of the time.

     
  20. Johnny Yao

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    Rocket!!!: It's time to trade T-mac and get kobe!
    I think kobe wants to be a team member with YAO!
    Yao want to be a team member with kobe also!

    Let soft T-mac go away!! I don't want Yao lose his future with this kind of team member!

    Yao' fan and Rocket' fan from beijing China

    Johnny Yao





     

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